Hi L, I was not going to respond to your comment, because I did not think you were ready to hear what I see and feel, but you asked for my thoughts and here they are:
Only children need to repress and deny their plight in order to survive, but as an adult what once was a lifesaving mechanism will keep us unconscious and compulsively repeating or reenacting our childhood drama over and over again keeping us eternally trapped in an emotional prison. As an adult, if we gather the courage to see and feel we will not die to the contrary we will save our lives and the future of our children and be free to really live.
I understand your fears and anxiety and you went around in your head tip-toeing using your intellect, creating a smokescreen that is confusing you and others that are still emotionally blind so you did not have to see the truth and feel your fears and anxiety and took the side of a person that is too threating just like your abusive uncle was because the little boy you once were still trapped in that bathroom, I hope one day the adult in you, now, finds the courage and strength to face the internalized intimidating uncle and you rescue the little boy you once were out of that bathroom and liberate yourself so when in the present moment you are in the presence of intimidating person you can stand up to him/her and not let the fear of the child you once were from exposing the truth and facts.
Your friend gave me more evidence that in most cases people desire to have children comes from their unconscious need to have an available object to project themselves because at the moment I stated that she lashed out at me with personal attacks, I understand these projections and now that I have freed myself I can handle them without losing my balance, but a child has no way of understanding these projections and this is why I would never carry a pregnancy to term and give birth to a new life I could not take care of and protect and would never give the baby up for adoption because the chance of ending up with a person that will use the baby unconsciously and compulsively to satisfy her needs and to project herself into is very high and I would never take that risk.
Of course, that can be exceptions to the rule, but those exceptions are very rare making it a very costly risk -- it's playing Russian Roulette with the lives of defenseless little babies -- for example, I now sometimes think about adopting a child, but not because I have a need to be a mother, but because I now know, without a doubt, I am in place of being a conscious mother and there are so many children unfortunately out there in need of a mother because so many women were not conscious of the risks of carrying a pregnancy to term and given birth to a new life they can’t take care of emotionally and financially.
When a person cannot have children should feel fortunate of the clue their bodies are given them and not force it, because I know without a doubt when we force things is never a good outcome and to this day I have not seen a happy child that the parents went to extreme lengths to conceive him/her. I wish I had saved the letter of a girl that wrote to me from England that was the product of first test-tube babies in the seventies and how she hated her mother because her mother only thought of what she wanted and never thought once about her child’s feelings and how she felt used by her mother all her life.
And yes a lot of people are not as fortunate to have their body giving them the clue that they are not in position of being conscious parents and if they became aware of their reality they have to take steps to prevent from bringing new life into the world they cannot really love and nurture, so I know without a doubt from my experiences Alice Miller’s words in most cases are facts and very true and Alice Miller herself never said that are no exceptions to the rule.
“(Daryl, you're a genius) I am neither pro-choice nor pro-life. I am pro-education.”
Education alone does nothing because unless people are able to face and feel the repressed feelings of the child they once were in the right context their compulsion to repeat will continue endless no matter how much education they get. The more educated people are the more they use their intellect and rationalizations and pass their psychological virus silently and covertly under the disguise of help with very seductive lies coated with disconnected truths deceiving themselves and the masses.
Sylvie Imelda Shene:
This blog is about learning to understand all of our feelings and learning to consciously face, feel and experience all of our feelings within the context of our own childhood. Everything we become and happens to us is connected to childhood. Not every victim becomes an abuser, but every abuser was once a victim of abuse, these are facts, Violence is not genetic, it’s learned. https://sylvieshene.blogspot.com/2014/08/a-dance-to-freedom-book-reviews.html
Friday, November 4, 2011
Wednesday, November 2, 2011
Parents Lay the Ground
Hi C,
I am so sorry it took me so long to answer your letter.
First I like to congratulate you for your courage to speak up about the abuse
you suffer at the hands of a sadistic teacher. What she did was a crime, but sadly crimes
against children still go unrecognized and unpunished by society at large. You
say that your parents did nothing to protect you and they themselves were
abusive towards you. Usually that’s the case parents lay the ground and make
their children vulnerable to abusers, schools and all society’s institutions
are very happy to continue the abuse that parents started at home. Your parents
deserve most of your justified anger for abusing you and making you vulnerable
to abusers that crossed your path and for not taking any steps to protect you
from an extreme abusive sadistic teacher. I think it’s great that you are using
your support group, a safe place, to start speaking up about your abuse and how
you feel. I feel is very important we feel the repressed intense excruciating
feelings of the child we once were towards our real abusers and allow those
wounds to heal first naturally, before we go into the general public seeking
justice, because if we still repressed and wounded we run the risk of feeling
victimized all over again by people that act similar and remind us of our
childhood abusers triggering our repressed excruciating intense feelings and
making us lose our balance and cool when we need it the most to make a stand
for ourselves and other children. Unfortunately most people in our society in
power positions are wounded children themselves and they don’t want to be reminded
of the abuse and that is why they unconsciously and compulsively worked so hard
to be in power over others, so they would not have to face and feel the abuse
they suffered at their parents hands when they were defenseless little children
remaining for eternity scared little children to face and question their own internalized
parents and they use unconsciously the same tactics to silence others the same way
their parents silence them, but if we have resolved our own repression we will
be able to keep our composure when we encounter repressed and unconscious
people in power position.
I did not suffer the extreme abuse you suffered. I was
hit in the head and hands by teachers and constantly emotionally humiliated in
front of the class for not spelling my words correctly and not giving the
answers the teachers wanted to hear, but never went to the extreme of them
removing my clothes and spanking me in my bare bottom. What happened to you is
completely an extreme of abuse of power and is also sexual abuse, because I
have no doubt the teacher has some type of sexual gratification by putting your
pants down and spanking you bare bottom and for sure she should be brought to
justice for crimes against children that are the worst crimes against humanity,
but society chooses to look the other way.
You say: “My father was also extremenly abusive verbally,
emotonally and some what physically. I am single. I wil remain single as to not
infect anyone with my fathers genes. I swore his DNA would end with me but my
brother and sister has children so...
I will not have children and wouldnt want to do to them
what was done to me. I might be a spanker and wouldnt want to have their
sexuality corrupted by these abusive spankings. It wasnt/isnt worth the risk.
Ive read no books and had no special therapy”
I congratulate you for your courage to see of what
happened to you and your fear of passing it into others is very understandable
and I am so sorry you sacrificed getting close to others and your
fatherhood. I too felt the same way as
you and I used to say to myself: the pain stops in me, but it does not have to
be this way. Genes has nothing to do with it. We can learn to take
responsibility for our feelings and resolve our repression and become open to
enter into relationships with people that also have become conscious of their
own history and taking responsibility for their own repressed feelings and no
longer unconsciously and compulsively doing into others what once was done to
them when they were defenseless little children.
I suggest you read Alice Miller’s books and visit her
website www.alice-miller.com her books and website helped me resolve
my own repression and liberate myself and become a voice for other children.
I wish you courage and strength on your journey to liberation
and much success in becoming a strong voice for children still suffering at the
hands of ignorant adults.
Sylvie
P.S. You are also welcome to visit my website www.sylvieshene.com
Friday, October 7, 2011
This explains a lot about Charlie Sheen’s problems.
“Sheen, 71, and his wife are approaching their 50th anniversary this year. Although Sheen’s struggled with alcoholism, and the couple’s son Charlie has had a few notorious blowups, they’ve remained together through the hard times. And he values her as much as life itself. Though he’s famously liberal, Sheen is pro-life because Templeton was conceived as the result of a rape, and he once told an interviewer that if abortion had been available at the time, she would never have been born”
Having a long marriage does not mean anything. Most people are together in fear and insanity and not in love.
Martin Sheen in an interview also said: “She even found out later that her mother really thought about dumping her in the Ohio River” after she was born. Instead she took her back to Kentucky where she was raised by two aunts, until she was six.”
This explains a lot! Charlie sheen is expressing the hate and pain of his grandmother passed on to his mother that started right in the womb and then passed to Charlie Sheen and his brothers and sisters, but Charlie is the one persuasively expressing it in a symbolic language that society and he himself does not understand. I can only imagine the pain and hate would make me feel if I had to carry a pregnancy to term caused by rape. It probably would have made me lose my mind completely. Martin Sheen is completely selfish just thinking of himself that if his wife had not been born he would not had have his wife as his companion, but have he stopped for a brief moment to think about the life that had to be destroyed in order for his wife to be born, didn’t the life that was already here had the right to life or the unborn life had more rights than lived life? Ignorance like this makes my blood boil. Just as Alice Miller wrote in her article PROTECTING LIFE AFTER BIRTH: “When I see the passion with which Catholic priests - men childless by choice - fight against abortion, I can’t help asking what it is that motivates them. Is it a desire to prove that unlived life, as perhaps their own destinies suggest, is more important and more valuable than lived life? Was that, perhaps, how the parents of those passionately committed to stopping abortion thought, though they expressed it in different ways? Or is it a case of seeing to it that others share the same fate as oneself? Both are possible. Both are dangerous, when people are driven to blind and destructive actions by the dead hand of their own repression.”
Having a long marriage does not mean anything. Most people are together in fear and insanity and not in love.
Martin Sheen in an interview also said: “She even found out later that her mother really thought about dumping her in the Ohio River” after she was born. Instead she took her back to Kentucky where she was raised by two aunts, until she was six.”
This explains a lot! Charlie sheen is expressing the hate and pain of his grandmother passed on to his mother that started right in the womb and then passed to Charlie Sheen and his brothers and sisters, but Charlie is the one persuasively expressing it in a symbolic language that society and he himself does not understand. I can only imagine the pain and hate would make me feel if I had to carry a pregnancy to term caused by rape. It probably would have made me lose my mind completely. Martin Sheen is completely selfish just thinking of himself that if his wife had not been born he would not had have his wife as his companion, but have he stopped for a brief moment to think about the life that had to be destroyed in order for his wife to be born, didn’t the life that was already here had the right to life or the unborn life had more rights than lived life? Ignorance like this makes my blood boil. Just as Alice Miller wrote in her article PROTECTING LIFE AFTER BIRTH: “When I see the passion with which Catholic priests - men childless by choice - fight against abortion, I can’t help asking what it is that motivates them. Is it a desire to prove that unlived life, as perhaps their own destinies suggest, is more important and more valuable than lived life? Was that, perhaps, how the parents of those passionately committed to stopping abortion thought, though they expressed it in different ways? Or is it a case of seeing to it that others share the same fate as oneself? Both are possible. Both are dangerous, when people are driven to blind and destructive actions by the dead hand of their own repression.”
Friday, August 19, 2011
Gurus and Cults Leaders How They Function
Gurus and Cults Leaders
How They Function
MANY PROBLEMS APPEAR in a new light when we look to childhood as a source of possible explanations. We are living in an age in which democracies are gaining the upper hand over dictatorships. At the same time, the cult-group phenomenon is an indication that there is a growth in the number of totalitarian systems to which people voluntarily submit themselves. People growing up in a spirit of liberty and tolerance, accepted in childhood for what they are, rather than being throttled and stunted by their upbringing, would hardly place themselves at the mercy of a cult group of their own accord. And if by chance or skillful manipulation, they did fall afoul of such an organization, they certainly would not stay there very long.
But many people joining such groups seem completely indifferent to the fact that their new surroundings are powered by mechanisms expressly designed to subjugate them, to rob them, of the freedom to think, to act, and feel as they see fit. They seem completely impervious to the fact such groups set out to impose an Orwellian form of surveillance and demand for mindless obedience from which the prospects of escaping are more or less nil. Years of brainwashing and indoctrination ensure that the victims are kept unaware of the insidious harm being done to their personalities. They have no notion of the price they have paid for their malleability because they have no notion that there is an alternative.
The thing that concerns me most about cult groups is the unconscious manipulations that I have described in detail in my work. It is the way in which the repressed and unreflected childhood biographies of parents and therapists influence the lives of children and patients entrusted to their care without anyone involved actually realizing it. At first glance, it may seem as if what goes on in cults and cult-like therapy groups takes place on a different level from the unconscious manipulation of children by their parents. We assume that in the former instance we are in the presence of an intentional, carefully planned, and organized form of manipulation aimed at exploiting the specific predicament of individuals.
In my view, however, this allegedly conscious exploitation can also be traced back to unconscious motives. Terrible as the consequences were, I do not believe, for example, that the two initiators of “feeling therapy,” discussed earlier, actually set out to establish a totalitarian regime. It was the power they gained over their adherents that made them into gurus. And this is what I have in mind when I refer to the unconscious aspects of manipulation. In the end, they themselves become the victims of a process with an inexorable logic of its own, a process they were unaware of because they had never given it any thought.
Thus they sparked off a conflagration they were unable to control, much less extinguish. First, they had learned how to reduce people to the emotional state of the helpless child. Once they had achieved that, they also learned how to use unconscious regression to exercise total control over their victims. From then on, what they did seemed to come automatically, in accordance, with the child-rearing patterns instilled into them in their own childhood.
Mithers’s report on the misleading blandishments that arouse false hopes and illusions also helps us to understand how political leaders operate. For the last fifty years, a debate has been raging on whether Hitler actually believed what he was saying or whether he consciously manipulated others. Was he a man obsessed with his self-appointed mission or a consummate actor, a Pied Piper luring millions to their doom? Some biographers have changed their minds on this point, tending more and more to the view that Hitler was indeed a fanatic believer in his own crazed doctrines. The question is a complex one, but one eminently worth following up because, as we see from the cult groups, it has lost none of its burning relevance for today.
If people stand up and proclaim they are prophets or agents of God, does that mean they are calculating charlatans, or are they lunatics genuinely believing they are in direct contact with Jesus? It is by no means easy to draw the line. In the case of “Feeling therapy,” it was clearly discernible how the craving for power engulfed any kind of realistic self-assessment on the part of the founders. They ended up believing they were as marvelous as their supporters thought them to be. They were asked to take part in 134 radio shows and 104 television programs. That was enough to convince them that they were epoch-making geniuses far superior to run-of-the-mill psychologists.
With cult leaders, it is very difficult to say where the conscious end the unconscious begins. Many gurus are driven by forces they are not aware of. If this were not the case, they would not feel constrained only by destructive means. With normal, conscious, systematic planning it would not be necessary to proceed so elaborately. The gurus end up enmeshed in the webs they have woven. The examples are legion. A case in point, an extreme instance of pathological grandiosity, was the mass murder in Jonestown, Guyana, in the late seventies. Others followed suit. Common to all was the way in which mostly well-meaning but misguided and confused people sacrificed their own lives to salvage their belief in the sincerity of one obsessed individual---death as a means of preserving an illusion to the bitter end.
Many of the people who establish cult groups are paranoid, megalomaniac psychotics seeking protection from their own anxieties in the mass of their adherents by passing themselves off as helpers and healers. They proclaim that the end of the world is night and build subterranean bunkers in an attempt to escape their childhood feelings of helplessness and wage war on those feelings at the symbolic level. At the same time, they offer their services as saviors because that ensures them the adoration of their disciples and enable them, at last, to feel powerful instead of powerless. But as soon as they have grounds to fear exposure, they revert to threats and coercion to force their followers to keep silent. Suicide is an extreme form of self-imposed silence. It is also the course elected by those thirty-nine young people who took their own lives in a luxury villa in San Diego in 1997.
I do not believe that material greed alone is an adequate explanation for the system of fraud so elaborate as to inevitably involve unnecessary expenditure. The point is that it is not only the victims that lapse back into an infantile state, but it is also the people behind the system as well---be they little Hitlers or gurus. They bask in the admiration of their adherents, which they take to be proof of their exceptional status and thus completely lose touch with reality. If this were not the case, Hitler would never have prolonged the Russian campaign in defiance of the advice of his experienced generals. But he was completely besotted with himself, a helpless victim of his own delusions of grandeur. His unconscious regression made him lose all contact with reality and any level-headed assessment of the situation.
Hitler, too, believed that the adulation of the masses was irrefutable evidence of his own greatness. The fact that this adulation was born of his own lies was something he could easily forget. Thus he came to regard himself as a genius. Like, Hitler, gurus use paternal or maternal promises of healing and salvation to achieve complete and utter devotion. Regression without awareness, the total relapse into earliest infancy, is the instrument they use to blind the masses and keep them in the state of boundless adulation. This kind of regression makes the criticism of parent figures like gurus and “charismatic” political leaders totally impossible. Equally inconceivable is self-criticism on the part of such leaders. It has no chance against the lust for power and the lure of self-aggrandizement.
Today, anyone who really wants to know how Hitler functioned needs to no more than procuring any tape of documentary footage on Hitler and watch it attentively. Observe the gestures and the facial expression of the Fuhrer, listen to the sound of his ranting, euphoric voice, read the quotations from his speeches. Then the Hitler mystique will stop being such a mystique. It is an example that can sharpen our perceptions and help us identify other, similar phenomena quickly and accurately.
For political leaders in the Hitler mold, the jubilation of the masses is as indispensable to still their effective craving as a drug is for an addict. The millions of cheering supporters do not realize that they are needed for the purpose and that purpose alone. When Hitler painted his glowing vision of a thousand-year Reich free of revolutions, his listeners had no inkling whatever that their beloved---and allegedly loving---father was getting ready to send them off to their deaths in the war because his own personal biography willed it so.
Some people are convinced that so-called deprogramming is the best---indeed, the only---prospect of freeing cult group members from their dependency and their psychological blindness. I for my part am an incorrigible believer in the enlightening power of information. If it reaches people at the right moment, it can set off a process of reflection. Depending on the individual’s personal situation, that process of reflection will either be an ongoing process or it will peter out. The effects may also be delayed, deferred until later. The human mind is not a machine, an apparatus that can be repaired via an outside agency. It has its own individual history, and that history is the sole basis from which it can operate, the only source for thought and action. Sometimes an emotional shock will enable a person to wake up out of his regression and perceive reality as it is, even if that realization is a painful one.
Can therapy help in this respect? There is no general answer to that question. There is such a market for psychological aid today and so many different salvation-mongers peddling their wares alongside the serious representatives of the therapeutic community that there is little point in making vague, general recommendations. But one thing that can be said is that extreme caution is called for in the face of promises of “complete cure” via regression. Frequently, impressive-sounding theories are paraded, which despite their scientific façade, have absolutely nothing to do with science. The ride roughshod over existing facts and make pronouncements that either is a pure fabrication or are derived from theories they are supposed to be substantiating.
Both Sigmund Freud, in his early years, and Arthur Janov were inspired by the hope that remembering and consciously re-experiencing a traumatic situation could bring about lasting relief from its consequences. This hope has not been entirely fulfilled. I know of cases where improvement has been achieved without recourse to the reactivation of memories, and others where the reenactment of the past and years of therapy has done nothing to alleviate the patient’s condition. Particularly if the therapeutic work restricts itself to a confrontation with the past. Energies briefly released by the suspension of repression are frequently drawn on by the patient to fuel new attempts at regaining the initial euphoria by means of activating more memories. This often leads to an addictive craving for pain and a reemergence of physical symptoms because the old patterns have not been properly worked through in a reliable, trustworthy relationship.
It is by no means unlikely that the attempts to use primal therapy to delve down into the earliest stages of life are bound to fail in those cases where very early traumatic experiences have caused severe irreversible damage to the brain. Constant unavailing attempts to dissolve such long-standing distress will then overtax the organism to such an extent that no positive results can be obtained. At all events, the primal therapists who have been trained more recently have increasingly moved away from the initial absolutism. Many of them combine primal therapy techniques with other methods. The techniques developed over twenty years ago are used less often today; many therapists have jettisoned both the “intensive phase” and the darkened room. Most of them have discovered that they have no need for such things in order to enable their patients to get in touch with their feelings.
Karl Kraus once said that psychoanalysis is the illness it claims to be curing. This criticism was accurate as long as psychoanalysis barricaded itself behind rigid theories. Today, however, there appears to be a greater readiness to turn new research findings from other fields to account, notably the results from infant research and the study of the fetus. There also appears to be an increasing tendency to confront the actual facts of child abuse in all its forms.
Perhaps we may look forward to a time when primal therapy will also become more receptive than it has been in the past. The positive aspect of this approach might be salvaged once its advocates are prepared to acknowledge the negative effects it can have, its limitations, and the serious dangers it may involve when used as a means of manipulation. Then old concepts could be revised in the light of new insights. But adhering uncritically to the alleged infallibility of the once established methods and blaming the patients when things go wrong will relegate the whole approach into the same category as cult leaders’ empty promises of salvation. As Helga’s story shows, such promises only produce self-destructive dependencies militating against any genuine liberation of individual patients from their suffering.
Occasionally it takes years of therapy to free people from their inner compulsions, constraints, and obsessions. But fortunately not always. Sometimes a brief therapy will suffice to open up new perspectives and help patients to extricate themselves from the impasses they find themselves in. Here, additional group therapy has an important ancillary role to play. At regular intervals, news reaches me of such combined programs in various parts of the world, and some of them can indeed point to a very gratifying degree of success.
From the book “Paths of Life: seven scenarios” by Alice Miller
Monday, July 4, 2011
Letter to D
Dear D,
Since your last letter you have been in my mind constantly and wanting to write to you, but because I am so busy these days and plus writing to someone that is directing their repressed anger at me it makes it even harder to sit down and write.
I know the truths I talk about are very hard to face and feel, but in order for you to free yourself, you need your truth, like Alice Miller, says: "Pain is the way to the truth. By denying that you were unloved as a child, you spare yourself some pain, but you are not with your own truth. And throughout your whole life, you'll try to earn love. In therapy, avoiding pain causes blockage. Yet nobody can confront being neglected or hated without feeling guilty. "It is my fault that my mother is cruel," he thinks. "I made my mother furious; what can I do to make her loving?" So he will continue trying to make her love him. The guilt is really protection against the terrible realization that you are fated to have a mother who cannot love. This is much more painful than to think, "Oh, she is a good mother, it's only me who's bad." Because then you can try to do something to get love. But it's not true; you cannot earn love. And feeling guilty for what has been done to you only supports your blindness and your neurosis."
It’s amazing to me how a person goes to University and gets so much abstract knowledge, but they don’t get any self-knowledge the most important knowledge of all, because without self-knowledge we just deceive ourselves and others and with a degree from a University it’s just like getting a ticket to go into the world to spread their psychological virus to the masses and this is why we live in a world with emotionally blind people with degrees in power positions making decisions that put all of us in danger and this is why the world is in the position is in. Again these words by Alice Miller come to mind: “…society we live in continue to turn a blind eye to the facts of child abuse in all its forms. Among thousands of professors at hundreds of universities, there is not one single university chair for teaching about child abuse and cruelty to children. Why? Because that cruelty successfully masquerades as parenting and education” Alice Miller, taken from the book “The truth Will Set you free” page, 101
http://www.alice-miller.com/readersmail_en.php?lang=en&nid=682&grp=0506
Since your last letter you have been in my mind constantly and wanting to write to you, but because I am so busy these days and plus writing to someone that is directing their repressed anger at me it makes it even harder to sit down and write.
I know the truths I talk about are very hard to face and feel, but in order for you to free yourself, you need your truth, like Alice Miller, says: "Pain is the way to the truth. By denying that you were unloved as a child, you spare yourself some pain, but you are not with your own truth. And throughout your whole life, you'll try to earn love. In therapy, avoiding pain causes blockage. Yet nobody can confront being neglected or hated without feeling guilty. "It is my fault that my mother is cruel," he thinks. "I made my mother furious; what can I do to make her loving?" So he will continue trying to make her love him. The guilt is really protection against the terrible realization that you are fated to have a mother who cannot love. This is much more painful than to think, "Oh, she is a good mother, it's only me who's bad." Because then you can try to do something to get love. But it's not true; you cannot earn love. And feeling guilty for what has been done to you only supports your blindness and your neurosis."
You feel betrayed by me, but the person that has really betrayed you was your father and mother when you were a defenseless little girl. I tried then, to make your mother see and take action to protect you, but I was not able to and now you are suffering because your mother lacked the courage to protect you from your father that was using and exploiting you to fulfill his emotional needs.
You were betrayed by your parents not me, but now because I did not say the things you wanted to hear and I did not behave the way you like to, it triggers your justified anger, but that anger was caused by the betrayal of your parents and as long you directing your anger at scapegoats, you will stay trapped and it never gets resolved.
Only when we feel our repressed feelings in the right context, they start to diminish get resolved and we free ourselves.
On my summer vacations to Portugal, I would witness that instead of you relying on the father for emotional support, it was your father relying on you to get his emotional needs met and this is very damaging to a child; you were more to your father a partner than his daughter.
I bought the books below thinking of you and they describe what happened to you as a small child to a T. I tried to share these books with your mother, but she too did not have the courage to open her eyes and see, she can’t use the excuse that she did not know English, because she like you had no problems learning the English language in school, me in the other hand, because of my learning disability I was not able to learn in school and if I had not left Portugal I would never have learned the English language and I would not ever have been exposed to this essential knowledge to help me liberate myself. I felt she learning English was a total waste, because if what we learned is not used to help ourselves why go through the trouble to learn it! What waste, I left the books in Portugal, if you gather the courage to read them; you will see yourself in them:
You were betrayed by your parents not me, but now because I did not say the things you wanted to hear and I did not behave the way you like to, it triggers your justified anger, but that anger was caused by the betrayal of your parents and as long you directing your anger at scapegoats, you will stay trapped and it never gets resolved.
Only when we feel our repressed feelings in the right context, they start to diminish get resolved and we free ourselves.
On my summer vacations to Portugal, I would witness that instead of you relying on the father for emotional support, it was your father relying on you to get his emotional needs met and this is very damaging to a child; you were more to your father a partner than his daughter.
I bought the books below thinking of you and they describe what happened to you as a small child to a T. I tried to share these books with your mother, but she too did not have the courage to open her eyes and see, she can’t use the excuse that she did not know English, because she like you had no problems learning the English language in school, me in the other hand, because of my learning disability I was not able to learn in school and if I had not left Portugal I would never have learned the English language and I would not ever have been exposed to this essential knowledge to help me liberate myself. I felt she learning English was a total waste, because if what we learned is not used to help ourselves why go through the trouble to learn it! What waste, I left the books in Portugal, if you gather the courage to read them; you will see yourself in them:
“Silently Seduced: When Parents Make Their Children Partners Understanding Covert Incest” By Kenneth M. Adams
“The Emotional Incest Syndrome: What to do When a Parent’s Love Rules Your Life” by Patricia Love
“Toxic Parents: Overcoming Their Hurtful Legacy: and Reclaiming your Life” Susan Forward and Craig Buck ---
http://www.alice-miller.com/readersmail_en.php?lang=en&nid=682&grp=0506
Reading your last e-mail is like a déjà vu, when I was growing up in Portugal, just because I did not say or do what people expected of me, it would trigger their anger and they would blame me for it, but I was not the cause of their anger, just like, NOW, I am not the cause of your anger, I am just the trigger, back then I did not understand these psychological mechanisms and I thought it was my fault, for not being able to be and do what they expected of me, but today I understand very well what is happening, even though it’s never pleasant to have people trying to make me their poisonous container or scapegoat, I am getting better every day at handling people’s transference. In the link below you can read a great article about transference:
I see clearly that me sponsoring you so you could leave Portugal is an illusion and I don’t feed people’s illusions anymore. Leaving Portugal will not solve your problems if you move to a new place without facing and feeling your painful truth first the only thing that changes is the scenery, but your unresolved personal issues will follow you everywhere you go, everywhere you go there you are! We can’t run from ourselves. Me leaving Portugal and coming to America did not solve my problems, the knowledge I acquire here helped me break free from the emotional prison I was born in and now I am bringing this knowledge, in a tray, to anyone in Portugal that have the courage to face and feel their personal painful truths. I can’t face and feel other people’s painful truths, if I could do it for you, I would do it, because you are my niece and god-daughter and nothing would make me happier than see you free, but I can’t do it for you, just like no one could do it for me, only you can do it, NOW, and if you ever gather the courage to do it and need someone to talk to, I am here to listen to you and give you support in your liberation, but I don’t have time to feed people’s illusions.
I wish you much courage and strength to face and feel your painful truths and I hope one day you can liberate yourself,
Sylvie
Also, read the conversation with D in the post before this one
http://sylvieshene.blogspot.com/2011/06/i-will-not-be-scapegoat-or-poisonous.html Wednesday, June 15, 2011
I will not be a scapegoat or a poisonous container to anyone, family or not family
This Friday after work I went to do my side jobs as usual and while I was checking on a resident’s house, one of my nieces, now 25 years old, that lives in complete denial of what happened to her as small child calls me on the phone, I was surprised, because she never calls me, but only she wanted to talk about was theories and rationalizations.
After a long day at work, I had no patience for it. Later when I got home I wrote an e-mail to her to apologize for my lack of patience. It’s so sad, but my niece is suffering and is nothing I can do for her. I think she was calling me, because she would like to come to the States, but she does not understand, that I would not ever let anyone live with me that idealizes their abusive parents and lives in denial of what happened to them as a small child, because that is putting myself on the line of fire of someone’s repression. No one will come to my house again and make me their scapegoat or poisonous container, family or not family.
After a long day at work, I had no patience for it. Later when I got home I wrote an e-mail to her to apologize for my lack of patience. It’s so sad, but my niece is suffering and is nothing I can do for her. I think she was calling me, because she would like to come to the States, but she does not understand, that I would not ever let anyone live with me that idealizes their abusive parents and lives in denial of what happened to them as a small child, because that is putting myself on the line of fire of someone’s repression. No one will come to my house again and make me their scapegoat or poisonous container, family or not family.
Dear D,
I am sorry I was too tired and did not have much patience to listen to you and plus our call got dropped, but anyway I think it would be best if you wrote your thoughts down and send it to me by email and I will be more than happy to answer you, because talking on the phone I have a hard time following you and understanding what you are saying and after a long day of work I am tired to try to figure out what you are saying. And plus it's expensive to talk on the phone.
I wish you courage and strength to face and feel your painful truth and I hope one day you are able to free yourself from the emotional prison you were born in to.
Sylvie
P.S. Please read Alice Miller’s books I left in Portugal and visit her website to help you understand yourself because if you don’t understand yourself you will never find anyone that will. When we understand ourselves it does not matter if others do or don’t.
Sylvie,
On 14th of April, I was to send you the following e-mail:
"At some point, we must examine ourselves. We are not all alike or with similar backgrounds, it is a pure tyranny assume that our responses serve others. I confess that it would be easier to say it is the fault of others, it is based on the premise that fetches childhood each and every problem. But if it did not know why it no longer applies to things that are not bad.
Honestly being a victim at one point or not is a choice, is to transfer our problems to others. Why do not agree with the choices of others does not mean they are sick. The result of this statement and to convey the idea that should never have been born, for allegedly you feel that people should not have kids. The option to not have followed this path was yours, but you can not covet what you think is right to become the tyranny of saying such a thing.
Do not know if somewhere then we say that you should not have been born if someone told you you'd be likely to hurt. After using this rule blindly could say that.
I'm not in denial of anything, I was building a mechanism to have the ability to put up with everyone's theories. Honestly, the vision that you will always be conditioned, the difference is that I'm not saying you're sick and I will not use this argument blindly and by the way hurt you.
It also makes me confused when speaking in truth, the dogmatic truth, the truly universal. Because when we defend the truth, whatever it is so close, we could run the risk of not seeing anything beyond that. There is a subtle difference between not agree but respect and defend our truth to others blindly. This is called intolerance.
I do not define people by who may have had problems, but by how they reacted to them. Many times the problems, obstacles that we teach. Is there one sees the true character and strength. Sincerely walk around, blaming childhood for everything, is a phenomenon of transfer. Because somewhere the question arises, what then? Who do you hear someone still thinks that was the victim of domestic violence or sexual abuse, do not know. These were clearly were injured, they must be protected, but do not know if you ever question the goodness of the limits you make. But all other parents, the majority does what it can and knows and wants his children to be happy. There are no perfect parents and families much less perfect, but there are no perfect children.
Do not know if you ever ask, what the true effects that could have been my mother sent me to the USA, with 4 or 5 years. You chose to be childlessness. Imagine it was you the mother, how would you react? Imagine it was you who sent you away. It is substantially different beings you to go away, rather than sending you away. But it is always easier to educate the children of others.
It's easy to say what are the others who are sick, it is easy to blame childhood, but this is not what defines me. I do not want to sell any theory, nor do I have to instill some interest. I know that the limit is when we cause harm to others and honestly does not matter the good intentions of anyone.
I hope you are happy with that vision. I can not stand that long theories, see the examples that people are or not and try to be one. I do not hear people, hear what they say. See what critics and their concerns. I see how they react to adversity. Can I make a mistake, but I will not blame others or circumstances for my decisions or actions. Calls to this responsibility, for freedom without responsibility only to the indictment.
Finally, I only reply now, for consideration, because in normal cases even gave me the job, but I close this issue here because it's like arguing with a Communist or a cleric. They like to instill truth, but do not like to talk about the gulags or inquisition ... And the basis of the latter two has always been a universal truth that any dogmatic and in theory was for the good of mankind. "
Maybe I would rather have sent the e-mail because today it is the same,
If you want people to respect your opinion, you have to be able to accept others. It is a basic principle.
It is not a matter of right or wrong, of true or lie, reality or illusion.
It is easy to judge miles away. It is easy to say what people should do when it isn’t you that has to face the consequences of your options.
You don’t are really listening, somehow you are trying to use your perception of things into others peoples lives. Your perception may be wrong, like mine could be wrong, as well. But I don’t impose my perception to others. I don’t have that need.
Maybe you are in a prison, a cognitive one that stops you to think outside the box that you built.
At the end of the day, I respected you more because I respect your way of thinking without imposing mine. I don’t have the need to convince others.
You just didn’t get that people may love you and yet cannot be in accordance with your ideas. It’s easy to love the ones that are in agreement with you.
Love, D
D,
Thanks for writing. It’s obvious you are in pain and you are not ready to see the roots of your pain and live with your own reality that your parents were not capable of real love.
I never said you should not have been born, but the truth is: most of us are here because our parents were unconscious and in spite my parents not being conscious and had me without thinking what kind of life they were giving me. I am living with my reality that my family is not capable of real love and have let go of the illusion of the family and their illusion of love and after facing and feeling my sad reality, today I no longer feel pain, I feel free and I am enjoying my life and I will not let any members of my family come into my life and take away the joy I feel today.
Maybe, one day you will gather the courage and strength to stop idealizing your father and see him as he really was, UNCONSCIOUS, and live with your own reality, because the truth is we are all alone and each of us has to find our own way to ourselves and save ourselves, because no one else can. I can’t walk your path with you, just like no one could have walked my path with me.
I never said you should not have been born, but the truth is: most of us are here because our parents were unconscious and in spite my parents not being conscious and had me without thinking what kind of life they were giving me. I am living with my reality that my family is not capable of real love and have let go of the illusion of the family and their illusion of love and after facing and feeling my sad reality, today I no longer feel pain, I feel free and I am enjoying my life and I will not let any members of my family come into my life and take away the joy I feel today.
Maybe, one day you will gather the courage and strength to stop idealizing your father and see him as he really was, UNCONSCIOUS, and live with your own reality, because the truth is we are all alone and each of us has to find our own way to ourselves and save ourselves, because no one else can. I can’t walk your path with you, just like no one could have walked my path with me.
I wish courage, Sylvie
I am going, to be honest, and straight:
You don’t really get it. You didn’t learn yet that different approaches can be both right.
The true pain is trying to talk to you and besides really listening; you show more interest to project your ideas.
I didn’t judge your choices, but you at some point are trying to judge everyone else. Who is the one that always settles the presence with absence? You have to do better than that.
It is easy to speak, as always. Even, I never found a shelter in you, always a storm that was not related directly to me, but a derivative one from your unfinished matters.
You don’t really know me because you never listen. You speak with your image of me, not me as an individual.
At last, I will not attack you, because I do respect and love you. Unfortunately, you are not able to do the same, because you are so closed into to your little box that can’t see further.
Love,
D
D,
You are talking with your head and not with your heart. I tried to help you when you were little, when I really could have made difference, but your mother did not allow it and I was powerless to take you away from the nightmare you were born into, now, not me or anyone else in this world can give you what you needed as a small child. Now you are an adult and only you can help yourself and for that, you have to stop idealizing your parents and see them as they really were and mourn the loss of your childhood and have compassion for the child you once were that lived in so much terror from her parents. I wish you the courage to face the nightmare of the child you once were and I hope one day you can liberate yourself. Courage, sylvie
Can you do better than that?
When are you going to respect me as a human being? If I was using my head, I would advise you to check your arguments, because they are weak. You have too many weakness in your reasoning... Perhaps, because you only read what was in accordance with what you wanted. It´s a typical Heisenberg effect...
My parents love me more than you ever loved your cats, and imagine... even they taught me to love you like you are (with all odds...)...
But as I said, could you switch down the doctrine button?
I guess it is you who is in pain because it is you who is trying to prove something...
Love, D
D,
I don’t know what to tell you, but you are unconsciously reenacting your childhood drama with me, talking with me, exactly the same way your father talked with you. If you respect yourself is all that matters, if others do or don’t it does not matter, when I don’t feel respected by someone, I just walk away, as a child we could not walk away from abusive people, but the beauty of being an independent adult, I can walk away from anyone that I consider abusive to me. I can’t make you open your eyes and see, just like I was not able to open your mother's eyes and make her see. I have learned to walk away from people, family or not family, that refuses to open their eyes to see. If you ever find the courage to open your eyes to see then we can talk until then we don’t have anything else to talk about. I live my life my way and you live your life your way. Live and let live. Sylvie
D. B.: Wow, a tough situation Sylvie. I commend you on your integrity & I think you handled this very well
J. C.: Ditto
Sylvie Imelda Shene: Thank you D and J, it’s very sad to see people, family or not family, say they had a wonderful childhood and loving parents and they don’t realize that they tell their true story by unconsciously and compulsively reenacting their childhood drama everywhere they go and whoever they interact with. I hope she does not have children, but I could tell in her e-mails that she desires to have children. The words below by Alice Miller to one of her readers are sooooo true “AM: Thank you so much for your brave and insightful statement. You are right, unwanted children are usually mistreated. But there exist as a rule also a huge amount of people who were "wanted" indeed, but only for playing the role of the victims that their parents needed to be able to take revenge on. They were wanted to give their parents what the parents never had gotten from their own parents: love, adoration, attention and so many other things. Otherwise, why would so many people have five or more children when they have no time for them? Why do they adopt children if their body refuses to give them what they apparently "want?”
The never acknowledged, never felt pain of their childhood calls for being avenged. They go to church, they pray, they honor their parents, forgive them everything – and they mistreat their children at home, often in a very cruel way, AS IF THIS WERE THE MOST NATURAL THING, because they learned this so early. Their children learn this perverted behavior, also very early, and will later do the same; and so this perverse behavior continues for millennia. Unless people are willing to SEE the perversion of their parents and are ready to consciously refuse to imitate it.
You are not being "sickeningly sarcastic," you only dared to speak out the truth that most people are afraid of seeing or talking about.’
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You are not being "sickeningly sarcastic," you only dared to speak out the truth that most people are afraid of seeing or talking about.’
http://www.alice-miller.co
J. R.:
Until I opened my eyes, I treated men the way my father treated me -- you know nothing, you're naive, you're worthless, do as I say don't ask why, etc., and I treated women the way my mother treated me -- by avoiding them, never getting close to them, not caring about them, etc. When I opened my eyes I was able to separate other men from my father's abuse and other women from my mother's abuse. Until I was able to see what was done to me I could not change
Sylvie Imelda Shene My niece keeps wanting to make me her scapegoat, her last e-mail below.
“You have a lot of issues to work out. You have an obscene need to prove something, with an alarming lack of knowledge or even experience and, little wisdom in the end, by not questioning your own assumptions.
Honestly, your lack of logic, reasoning, and grounds are a huge handicap, if you aim to be taken seriously. Maybe you should start to read the classics, and only after, try to understand others. Your ideas are like a house with no foundations. You built ideas that can’t be sustained.
Start by reading and understanding Plato, Socrates, Kant, Nietzsche and Stuart Mill… Try to read Dostoevsky, Zola, Balzac, Shakespeare, Goethe…. Maybe, in the end, your mind can be opened, because you just see what you want (“No worst blind than the one who does not want to see”), you don’t have abstract reasoning yet. If you aim to be in disagreement, you have at first, to study and understand the basics. Disagreement is not synonymous of the absence of capability to understand.
Any definitions that you may have to exist thankfully to those men that settle ideas as freedom, metaphysic being and love as you understand them today. You just are not able to understand Man, individuals without knowing were they come from and this, means knowing history, philosophy, and art.
I am not directing anything; I am just amazed at your lack of respect towards others. If you want to be better than others, you need to learn to be humble and open to the idea that you may not know everything.
“I only know that I know nothing”. You just don´t let yourself to be in this position. But without it you will not able never to expand your intellect. Tolerance among others ideas and perspectives is actually a great accomplished that only great people can achieve. Little people tend to shape the world as it is more comfortable for them.
You can always walk away, and waste the opportunity of improving yourself. The courage it is all about being aware of our own ignorance; to by a form of nihilism do a sprit’s renewal.
One of the best law professors said at some point “we don’t accept advice from the ones that didn’t do better”. And that’s the point, you didn’t, you just judge and even didn’t yet learned to listen before speaking.
Even the small task you failed. You can’t listen.
Learn to listen first… You speak too much with little wisdom, which only shows your insecurities and lack of reasoning.
If you were honest with yourself, you would assume your incapacity to be anyone’s godmother. Unfortunately, you are mine, and the only thing you have was the idea that I shouldn’t be born. Well done!
Love,
D
Honestly, your lack of logic, reasoning, and grounds are a huge handicap, if you aim to be taken seriously. Maybe you should start to read the classics, and only after, try to understand others. Your ideas are like a house with no foundations. You built ideas that can’t be sustained.
Start by reading and understanding Plato, Socrates, Kant, Nietzsche and Stuart Mill… Try to read Dostoevsky, Zola, Balzac, Shakespeare, Goethe…. Maybe, in the end, your mind can be opened, because you just see what you want (“No worst blind than the one who does not want to see”), you don’t have abstract reasoning yet. If you aim to be in disagreement, you have at first, to study and understand the basics. Disagreement is not synonymous of the absence of capability to understand.
Any definitions that you may have to exist thankfully to those men that settle ideas as freedom, metaphysic being and love as you understand them today. You just are not able to understand Man, individuals without knowing were they come from and this, means knowing history, philosophy, and art.
I am not directing anything; I am just amazed at your lack of respect towards others. If you want to be better than others, you need to learn to be humble and open to the idea that you may not know everything.
“I only know that I know nothing”. You just don´t let yourself to be in this position. But without it you will not able never to expand your intellect. Tolerance among others ideas and perspectives is actually a great accomplished that only great people can achieve. Little people tend to shape the world as it is more comfortable for them.
You can always walk away, and waste the opportunity of improving yourself. The courage it is all about being aware of our own ignorance; to by a form of nihilism do a sprit’s renewal.
One of the best law professors said at some point “we don’t accept advice from the ones that didn’t do better”. And that’s the point, you didn’t, you just judge and even didn’t yet learned to listen before speaking.
Even the small task you failed. You can’t listen.
Learn to listen first… You speak too much with little wisdom, which only shows your insecurities and lack of reasoning.
If you were honest with yourself, you would assume your incapacity to be anyone’s godmother. Unfortunately, you are mine, and the only thing you have was the idea that I shouldn’t be born. Well done!
Love,
D
Sylvie Imelda Shene: Dear D, Like I said in my last e-mail I don’t know what to tell you. Your e-mails are pure projections of yourself into to me. You are the one calling me and writing to me with the need to argue, so who has the need to convince?
I am not calling you or writing to you to try to force you to see what I see. You are angry and your anger is justified because you were hurt, but I was not the person that hurt you and directing your justified anger at scapegoats it does not get resolved and keeps you trapped, your anger will only start to diminish and gets resolved when it’s felt in the right context. You keep saying that I told you: you should not have been born, but you are twisting my words, but like I said before, most of us are here, because our parents were unconscious and now it’s in our hands to choose to wake up, stop idealizing our parents and childhood, face and feel our sad reality or continue the insanity of our parents.
You are using your intellect to run from looking at the facts and see these fundamental psychological mechanisms. It takes courage to see these psychological mechanisms, intelligence alone is not enough; it rather helps create seductive illusions and lies. You are in the last year of law school and now because you think you have “higher education” you got the illusion that the States are hiring people with higher education, but the United States have a lot of unemployed lawyers and the States does not need more emotionally blind lawyers, we got enough of those here already, now, because I am not willing to do what you want me to do, it trigger your anger, but like I said I am not the cause of your anger, I am only the trigger, because I am not willing to let you use me the way you want to use me. In all these years of school, you come out with a lot of abstract knowledge and what I call empty knowledge that only serves to impress others and deceive yourself and other emotionally blind people. Education alone does not save people, it did not save your mother and is not going to save you either, education alone is nothing, but an illusion.
I am not calling you or writing to you to try to force you to see what I see. You are angry and your anger is justified because you were hurt, but I was not the person that hurt you and directing your justified anger at scapegoats it does not get resolved and keeps you trapped, your anger will only start to diminish and gets resolved when it’s felt in the right context. You keep saying that I told you: you should not have been born, but you are twisting my words, but like I said before, most of us are here, because our parents were unconscious and now it’s in our hands to choose to wake up, stop idealizing our parents and childhood, face and feel our sad reality or continue the insanity of our parents.
You are using your intellect to run from looking at the facts and see these fundamental psychological mechanisms. It takes courage to see these psychological mechanisms, intelligence alone is not enough; it rather helps create seductive illusions and lies. You are in the last year of law school and now because you think you have “higher education” you got the illusion that the States are hiring people with higher education, but the United States have a lot of unemployed lawyers and the States does not need more emotionally blind lawyers, we got enough of those here already, now, because I am not willing to do what you want me to do, it trigger your anger, but like I said I am not the cause of your anger, I am only the trigger, because I am not willing to let you use me the way you want to use me. In all these years of school, you come out with a lot of abstract knowledge and what I call empty knowledge that only serves to impress others and deceive yourself and other emotionally blind people. Education alone does not save people, it did not save your mother and is not going to save you either, education alone is nothing, but an illusion.
I did not choose to be you your godmother, your mother chose it for me, because she was smelling money in me, otherwise she would never have picked me to be your godmother, but the best godmother I can be is, to tell the truth as I see it even at the risk at triggering your justified repressed anger caused by the hurt of your parents when you were a defenseless little girl. I have read about the classics you talk about and I suggest you read the book below if you really want to understand the writings of these authors. Wish you courage, Sylvie
The Untouched Key
Tracing Childhood Trauma in Creativity and Destructiveness
As in her former books, Alice Miller again focusses on facts. She is as determined as ever to cut through the veil that, for thousands of years now, has been so meticulously woven to shroud the truth. And when she lifts that veil and brushes it aside, the results are astonishing, as is amply demonstrated by her analyses of the works of Nietzsche, Picasso, Kollwitz, Keaton, and others. With the key shunned by so many for so long - childhood - she opens rusty looks and offers her readers a wealth of unexpected perspectives. What did Picasso express in "Guernica"? Why did Buster Keaton never smile? Why did Nietzsche heap so much opprobrium on women and religion, and lose his mind for eleven years? Why did Hitler and Stalin become tyrannical mass murderers? Alice Miller investigates these and other questions thoroughly in this book. She draws from her discoveries the conclusion that human beings are not "innately" destructive, that they are made that way by ignorance, abuse, and neglect, particularly if no sympathetic witness comes to their aid. She also shows why some mistreated children do not become criminals but instead bear witness as artists to the truth about their childhoods, even though in purely intuitive and unconscious ways.
It is Dr. Miller's goal to encourage these sympathetic witnesses, to lend them support, and to inform them about the worldwide and ignored plight of children, for she thinks that only by confronting the truth that has been avoided from time immemorial can human beings be saved from blind destruction and self-destruction. This discovery is eloquently illustrated in the last section of "The Untouched Key", wherein the story of Abraham and Isaac and the story of "The Emperor's New Clothes" are retold to reveal their profound meaning.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009N989PM/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
Also, read the letter to D in the link below
http://sylvieshene.blogspot.com/2011/07/letter-to-d.html
The Untouched Key
Tracing Childhood Trauma in Creativity and Destructiveness
As in her former books, Alice Miller again focusses on facts. She is as determined as ever to cut through the veil that, for thousands of years now, has been so meticulously woven to shroud the truth. And when she lifts that veil and brushes it aside, the results are astonishing, as is amply demonstrated by her analyses of the works of Nietzsche, Picasso, Kollwitz, Keaton, and others. With the key shunned by so many for so long - childhood - she opens rusty looks and offers her readers a wealth of unexpected perspectives. What did Picasso express in "Guernica"? Why did Buster Keaton never smile? Why did Nietzsche heap so much opprobrium on women and religion, and lose his mind for eleven years? Why did Hitler and Stalin become tyrannical mass murderers? Alice Miller investigates these and other questions thoroughly in this book. She draws from her discoveries the conclusion that human beings are not "innately" destructive, that they are made that way by ignorance, abuse, and neglect, particularly if no sympathetic witness comes to their aid. She also shows why some mistreated children do not become criminals but instead bear witness as artists to the truth about their childhoods, even though in purely intuitive and unconscious ways.
It is Dr. Miller's goal to encourage these sympathetic witnesses, to lend them support, and to inform them about the worldwide and ignored plight of children, for she thinks that only by confronting the truth that has been avoided from time immemorial can human beings be saved from blind destruction and self-destruction. This discovery is eloquently illustrated in the last section of "The Untouched Key", wherein the story of Abraham and Isaac and the story of "The Emperor's New Clothes" are retold to reveal their profound meaning.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009N989PM/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
Also, read the letter to D in the link below
http://sylvieshene.blogspot.com/2011/07/letter-to-d.html
Congratulations for your courage,
Sylvie
Sure, Sylvie. I was horrified when I woke up this morning and saw those two just being hateful all over the place, but this is something you and I are used to dealing with on the Net. I figured there wasn't any point in joining the fray if, as you mentioned, L is not going to ditch those people.
I feel sorry for L and hope he finds a way out someday.
Talk to you later,
J
Hi J,
I did not read L’s full comments this morning and I just read most of it right now, but I did not finish reading it, because he is just making me his scapegoat or poisonous container! It just shows how lost he still is unconsciously and compulsively making innocent people that have nothing to do with his anger and pain, but I was just the trigger of it and by making me the scapegoat or poisonous container he loses a great opportunity to resolve this hate and free himself. Sadly I see him dependent on his real abusers and on the disability check from the government for his whole life and therefore will not be able to feel his hate in the right context and endless needing scapegoats to relieve his pent up anger, very sad.
These words Alice wrote to me became very true once again.
AM: I have learned over the years of my work on the internet that there are readers who SEEM to understand SOME of what I have written, at least intellectually, but they are still so afraid of their very cruel parents and of their repressed FEELINGS of rage towards them that they are constantly looking for scapegoats. They thus live in a continual confusion pretending that they are healed and even offering help and empathy to others. But eventually, they use unconsciously other people (even the ones who are quite friendly to them) as a poisonous container like their parents did to them, and if the offended people begin to defend themselves they can become very mean. I can only urge you to trust your feelings and to NOT offer your empathy and interest to everybody just because they say they read and understood everything I have written. In most of the cases, it is a lie. To understand my books means to overcome the fear of one’s parents, to honestly feel the justified rage TOWARD THEM and to no longer use others to getting free from the accumulated rage.
Again thanks for your support
Sylvie
What Alice says, it is very true. Especially the part about them understanding just enough of this stuff intellectually. An advanced ego defense is intellectualization, which I find people doing a lot after years of the older, less sophisticated defense mechanism can no longer shield them from the facts about their abusive history.
Stef also talks a lot about how people will try to make the enlightened witness/philosopher so angry and fed up with humanity that they become withdrawn and stop trying to help the world. I want to avoid stepping into that trap. I will help people regardless of how many adult victims wish to project on me.
Thank you very much, Sylvie.
J
I think I read it and I too did not bother saying anything either, because I could feel L is not open for real feedback and I could tell if we express our true perceptions and he did not agree with it he would come out swinging viciously the same way his childhood abusers intimidate him. And now that I expressed to him how I truthful saw his situation he came out viciously with personal attacks toward me and Alice Miller. He still among my friends on Facebook, but he has been restricted and cannot see everything I post. Me too I want to avoid stepping into that trap and keep on trying exposing abusers and give support to people that really want to help themselves to break free from their emotional prison.
Congratulations on liberating yourself and not letting other people’s projections stopping you.
I wish much success in this very important work you are doing and again thank you for your support,
Sylvie
I just remember now having the chat below with D when L made Stefan Molyneux his scapegoat. D wrote to me asking for my thoughts on what L had written. I thought you might like to read the words I wrote at the bottom.
August 22Sen...t from Chat
D
can you chat by chance?
August 22Sent from Chat
Sylvie Imelda Shene
I am not too busy right now, but I am at work and things can change.
August 22Sent from Chat
D
sure, I understand 9same here). could we maybe schedule a time for a skype convo? I wanted to get your thoughts/feedback on what L has written
August 22Sent from Chat
Sylvie Imelda Shene
I am reading L notes too!
August 22Sent from Chat
D
ok
I'd like to know your thoughts on how (or even if) to respond
August 22
Sylvie Imelda Shene
I am thinking about to respond if I can find the right words. He has some valid points, and maybe the words Stefan picked are not the best ones like if we were rejected as a child we will desire rejection, of course at the conscious level we don’t desire rejection, but unconsciously and compulsively we will be attracted to people that will reenact our childhood drama because unconsciously we still have the illusion that we can change our childhood abuser now in the substitute figures standing in symbolizing our parents or childhood caretakers and finally get the love we been longing for all of our lives, but it will never happen and we only get better after we let go of that illusion and face the fact that no one can ever make up for the love that we needed as a child and now only us can learn to love and care for ourselves. I see L stuck in his story and not able to get out looking for someone with a miracle to save him like he has the illusion that if he could afford primal therapy with Arthur Janov, he would get better, but regression therapy can be very dangerous because it can make people addictive to pain and keep people stuck in the state of the helpless child. I am free to talk for a little bit at 2:45PM my time, Let me know if you are available at that time. Sylvie