Interview with child advocate Andrew Vachss Friday, May 23, 2008
Dear Alice Miller, This May 2008, Oprah Winfried's talk with Andrew Vachss from 1993 has been posted on youtube. Have you seen this interview? In this talk, Andrew Vachss confronts Oprah with her belief that anger resulting from an abusive childhood is a bad thing that one needs to overcome, and that the way to "healing" is through forgiveness. And he thoroughly questions it.What do you think?
Alice Miller: I saw the interview. These are some of my thoughts about it: We will never be able to stop child abuse as long as we say: "I put the past behind me, I don't feel anger, have forgiven and forgotten and get on with my life." This advice, given very often, never actually helps. Why? Because the endured abuse, if it is not worked out, drives the former victims to do the same with their children as long as they deny the pain and the anger, which the abuse left in their bodies. Our feelings may stay for a long time repressed, unconscious, but they wake up when we become parents. Advice like the one given by Oprah wants to help people who suffer by saying: "Enjoy your life, you should no longer suffer because of things that happened so long ago". We must know that this advice works at the expense of the next generation, supporting our blindness. Feeling and understanding the causes of our old pain does not mean that the pain and the anger will stay with us forever. Quite the opposite is true. The felt anger and pain disappear with time and enable us to love our children. It is the UNFELT, avoided and denied pain, stored up in our bodies, that drives us to repeat what has been done to us and to say: "Spanking didn't harm me, it was good for me and will thus also not harm my children." People who talk like this go on writing books on how we should spank babies early enough so that they learn to behave and NEVER EVER realize what had been done to them so early in their lives.
Read more HERE
Hello Sylvie,Quite sadly I must point out that this wonderful video has been taken down because Harpo (Oprah's company) will not allow her programs to air for free on YouTube.I have seen the video before and would love to see it again, or at least to read a transcript of the exchange between Vachss and Oprah.Vachss has some poignant articles on his site but unfortunately I haven't found any link to text from that interview. If you come across the text, please post it up for us all to read. It was a very interesting interview...for a moment it almost seemed like Oprah took heed of his words. I know it's disappointing to you as well as me that she has not faced her past and used the tremendous platform she has through her show to educate others on childhood issues and rejecting the "forgiveness" mantras.It is such a shame that this particular episode is a lost episode. If only we could show it again to all the Oprah followers. It really was perhaps one of her most important interviews.Best wishes to you Sylvie,
KK
Hello KK,Thank you for informing me about Oprah taken down the video from YouTube. It just shows her controlling issues and how she is more concerned with her image than with her personal truth. It’s very sad that she is passing her psychological virus to millions of people around the world and she doing it under the disguise of help, which will make her audience more confused than they already are.I also read most Vachss’s very poignant articles on his website In this article in his website By Ian O'Doherty Originally published by Independent, January 19, 2009it mentions why Oprah and Vachss fell out.“Vachss and Oprah Winfrey made rather unusual bedfellows when they joined forces to change the 'Incest laws' which gave more protections to predators than it did the victims, but the pair eventually fell out.The television host had picked Vachss as one of her "American Heroes" and a show was dedicated to him.To her horror, it didn't go according to plan: "She started going on about the importance of the victim forgiving their rapist and that is just bullshit," he says. "It's the kind of nonsense that psychiatrists and sociologists come out with, but what it actually does is place the burden of guilt back at the victim's feet."After all, when you tell someone that they can't heal themselves until they have forgiven the person, what happens to them when they can't forgive? They feel that there's something wrong with them and not the scum who committed the crime."
This just shows how Oprah refuses to look at facts. She and her followers cannot see, but Oprah is passing to the world the abuse she received in her childhood, but she is passing it in a converted way and under the disguise of help. All she has done was to reverse the roles, now she is the all-powerful, just like her abusers were to her, she could not have confronted her abusers when she was little and now no one will be able to confront her either, because she has too much power. What is very sad is that she and people like her make a lot of money deceiving themselves and the whole world. It makes me sick to my stomach. Sylvie
Schiavonne: I watched a 1993 interview of hers with Michael Jackson, which is available on Youtube. She thought that it was cool that he had no anger towards his father regardless of how much Joe had hurt him and his siblings. As much as I like his music, it was pitiful to see Michael apologizing on screen for telling of the abuses he suffered. No one should apologize for being abused. Joe should be the one apologizing and mourning his own history.
Michael also said that his plastic surgeries had nothing to do with his father teasing his physical appearance. He even mentioned that when he was younger, he was so ashamed of his looks that he would wash his face in the dark. That is an obvious lie since you can't love yourself and have plastic surgery. Forgiveness led to his death.
I was never a big fan of Oprah, but I thought she was a pretty cool person since she's such a philanthropist and all. But since she pushes people to forgive the unforgivable, I like her less now.
Posted by Schiavonne on Sunday, June 06, 2010 - 10:07 AM
Schiavonne, Thank you for sharing. You gave me more evidence, Oprah is just concerned with her image than exposing the lies of society. Why would she remove the interview with Andrew Vachss and not the interviews with Michael Jackson? The only reason she removed Andrew Vachss’s interview was because he was confronting her screwed up beliefs.
Your words are so true. Michael Jackson forgave his abusers, but he died because of it. Everyone should read the article “Concerning Forgiveness: The Liberating Experience of Painful Truth”
Comments from the sharing of this blog on Facebook:
James Warren Alice Miller is like white light
Sylvie Imelda Shene Thank you James, I agree, I will carry her torch as far as I can, I will not rest until I see all her books on display in every bookstore around the world and every single person on this planet knows her very important work, so parents can no longer use the excuse they did not know better and they did the best they could. I feel there is a conspiracy to keep her work hidden because people’s façade in power positions would be exposed, Oprah included. Why all these years she never invited Alice Miller or endorses her books on her show? But all the phonies like the guy James Frey with his book Million Little Pieces she had no problems inviting on her show, she said she was fooled by him, well, if she had truthful dealt with her repression she would have been able to see through him and see he was a phony pretending to be healed inventing things just to get attention and make money, by chance I saw the show with James Frey and I remember very well saying to myself, he is full of BS. Oprah is not one bit interested in people that have truthfully dealt with their repression, she is threatened by them and she only likes to invite people to her show that tell misleading information and disconnected truths or lies coated with little bits of truths, because in this way she can keep her illusions alive and sale it to her followers and in the process keep getting richer and richer, very sad. And this is why I canceled my cable TV and I don’t watch TV anymore, because all you hear on TV are lies and misleading information. When I called to cancel my cable, the person on the phone asked me the reason why I was canceling their services and I responded that I did not want to pay to listen to lies and misleading information anymore
James Warren Any conspiracy to hide human truth will, by its very nature, fail. The naked reality of events around the globe and around the human soul reveal the hidden truths we don't want to acknowledge. When the building catches fire there are only a few at first who smell the smoke. People like Alice Miller and those who are moved by her work are already evacuating the premises. The building still burns.
Sylvie Imelda Shene Thank you for your comment James. I enjoyed reading your words. Very well said, are you a writer? I like your writing style! For sure I have evacuated the premises!!! I feel so lucky to have found the books of Alice Miller, otherwise I would still be in the burning building trying to convince everyone that the building is burning, but thanks to Alice Miller I learned that I cannot force anyone to see that does not want to see and I saved my life and let go of everyone that refuses to open his/her eyes.
James Warren Thanks for your kind words. I was a journalism major and did some writing after graduation but got distracted by getting a job in a hospital and found out I loved it--stayed for nearly 20 years. And I really appreciated reading your comment in boldface on your page above. You elegantly explained Miller's insight about how we can get trapped in the cycle if we don't do our inner work first.
I am pretty optimistic re: nonviolence with our fellow travelers. Sort of like John Lennon saying you can call me a dreamer but I'm not alone. My irrational optimism is based on by belief that we're naturally wired for cooperation, not competition--or else our ancestors would have never made it once they left the safety of the trees for the open grasslands.
Sylvie Imelda Shene Ah! Journalism! I am working on a project that I could use your writing skills. I wish I could share your optimism, but I don’t have much faith in humanity, it seems the more “educated” people are the more they use their intellect to rationalize it all and avoid from seeing, facing and feeling these psychological mechanisms and the madness just keeps going on but with a new deceiving pretty face hiding it all. In her article “The Ignorance or How we produce the Evil” Alice Miller says: “Evil is born anew with each every new generation. “ --- So true.
http://www.alice-miller.com/en/the-ignorance-or-how-we-produce-the-evil/
James Warren Basically, maybe not in my lifetime... But my irrational optimism comes from the fact that never before in the entire history of the human species on the earth have we all been basically living in the same room. Everybody's with us, nobody's passenger anymore, everyone's crew--the global village idea.
Of COURSE, it's the "more educated" who resist despair until the last minute. And if we're all in a crowded room, just think how effective you might be in presenting a seminar or workshop on the topic "Evil with Another Deceiving Pretty Face." Evil AND good are born anew each instant moment. And die away in each moment.
"If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart." --Solzhenitsyn
Sylvie Imelda Shene "If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart." --Solzhenitsyn
I love this quote! Thank you for posting it. Yes if only was that simple! Very few people are able to look in the mirror and take responsibility for their ignorance/evil; your comment reminds me the answer below Alice Miller gave to one of her readers. It seems everywhere I go I see people pretending or faking it to have healed. It comes to mind when I use to go to al-anon and codependents anonymous and the elders use to say: “fake it until you make it” and I could tell they all were pretending and faking it and I use to think to myself: you can’t pretend and fake it forever and going to have to face it sooner or later. I share a little tiny bit of your optimism; otherwise, I would give up completely.
AM: You write: "My main point in the allegory is that by necessity none of us are passengers anymore. Everybody's crew." I agree with you. But to become aware of the fact that our obedience learned in childhood doesn't allow us to think freely needs probably more than many hundred years. I am not sure if the tortured planet leaves us the necessary time to understand this fact, to protest against it, and to become a conscious, responsible member of the crew.
http://www.alice-miller.com/en/we-all-are-the-crew/
James Warren I totally get what you are saying. I guess I could add that maybe we are missing all of the little trees growing up amidst a dysfunctional forest. Perhaps the people of the world are just now beginning to tend to the little trees because these types of people, groups, and organizations are getting the message that thinking globally but acting locally is the only way. And enough of us might find out we can be even more effective in the world if we can remember the little tree we all once were and start taking care of that forgotten little plant as well.
And, hey, I could be full of it. too. I could be just "barking at the moon instead. But geeze Louise, I just HATE to be wrong about anything!
James Warren We're all living in a pretty high-class china shop, too. And if we DON'T take responsibility for our ignorance and evil, we're going to break things we aren't even aware of yet. Or we will jostle someone else with our clumsy elbow and cause the same sort of damage.
Most of us are still like two-year-olds who need to learn and understand limits and how to set them in ourselves first. Once uncomprehending and ignorant two-year-olds grow up we're liable to have a few bulls in our china shop (which is what we have now!).
Hopefully, we will all learn not to go around unconsciously waving around red flags anymore. Remember "Ferdinand the Bull"?
James Warren, By the way, I was glad to see that letter again you posted the link to because I wrote it to Alice and she sent me back her personal answer. After I deleted all evidence of our exchange I had second thoughts and wished I had kept it. Now it belongs to everyone! Way cool!
Sylvie Imelda Shene When I read your earlier comment, I knew it right way, you had been the one writing that letter to Alice Miller. I am glad you are happy I posted a link here to it.
James Warren It was great to read the remarks from Alice. She tells the Big Truth and manages to express it so differently and so eloquently each time. That really helps me to keep it close to me always...
Also, read Letters to Oprah and Comments on a Facebook Post About a Book on Oprah's Book Club
This blog is about learning to understand all of our feelings and learning to consciously face, feel and experience all of our feelings within the context of our own childhood. Everything we become and happens to us is connected to childhood. Not every victim becomes an abuser, but every abuser was once a victim of abuse, these are facts, Violence is not genetic, it’s learned. https://sylvieshene.blogspot.com/2014/08/a-dance-to-freedom-book-reviews.html
Friday, December 21, 2012
Thursday, December 20, 2012
Letters to Oprah
Check out the Christmas Message from Bill Maher I am with Bill. Every time I see
Oprah I feel like I want to throw up.
Dear Oprah,
I use to be a big fan of yours, but after I read Alice Miller's books and I realized that your show was a big illusion. That you and your viewers are running, avoiding from facing the true personal truth and feeling the repressed painful emotions of the little girl/boy inside. And I stopped distracting myself with TV shows that don't give the full story and the whole truth, but in fact give mislead information; most people on TV are very articulate and say very seductive words that are just like drugs that keep us numb, distracted from facing our painful truth and from feeling our painful emotions that still are repressed inside us.
Have you read the book the "The Body Never Lies: The Lingering Effects of Cruel Parenting" By Alice Miller. Your body is telling your truth through symptoms. The reason you keep coming back to the weight issue is because you are not taking the time to listen, pay attention and feeling the repressed painful emotions of the little wounded girl still inside of you.
Please visit Alice Miller website.
The Roots of Violence are NOT Unknown
I wish you much courage,
Sylvie Shene
Second letter to Oprah
Dear Oprah,
Last week I sent you a letter. I like to add to that letter the need to connect the dots in our lives. You shared on TV that you feel ashamed for gaining the weight back; the weight gain is just the trigger of the repressed feelings of the little girl still inside of you that is still in pain and feeling very ashamed. What is unconscious always win, no matter how hard we work to keep it repressed with distractions and illusions. Nothing in the external world, no religion, not political party, not a perfect body, not a job, not a relationship and not any amount of money can save us from the pain of our past. Until we walk through our pain, we will keep repeating, recreating our past in the present moment. Dr. Alice Miller in her book, The Truth Will Set You Free; Overcoming Emotional Blindness and Finding Your True Adult Self says: "the past always catches up with us, in our relationships with other people and especially with our children." The only way to release the pain is to face it, articulate it and feel all the repressed emotions, until they are gone.
I like to share with you these words from the book: "The Drama of the gifted child, page 94: the search for the true self" by Dr. Alice Miller: --- "… The humiliation, self-disgust, and self-contempt trigger the past situation and, trough the compulsion to repeat, produce the same tragic conditions for pleasure. Seen in this way, the compulsion to repeat is a great opportunity. It can be resolved when feelings in the present situation can be felt and clarified. If no use is made of this opportunity, if the message is ignored, the compulsion to repeat will continue without abating for the person's entire lifetime, although its form may change.
What is unconscious cannot be abolished by proclamation or prohibition. One can, however, develop sensitivity toward recognizing it and begin to experience it consciously, and thus eventually gain control over it…"
Please read this letter written to Dr. Alice Miller. It's an eye opener
I hope you find the courage to see and feel your repressed feelings of the child you once were and help the world see these psychological mechanisms, so people can stop passing the psychological virus to the next generation. If we want to save ourselves and the planet it never has been a bigger emergency for us to face these psychological facts.
Sincerely,
Sylvie Shene
Third letter to Oprah
Dear Oprah,
In this Interview "The feeling child" with Alice Miller by Diane Connors for OMNI Publications International March 1987 --- Dr. Alice Miller says:
"Pain is the way to the truth. By denying that you were unloved as a child, you spare yourself some pain, but you are not with your own truth. And throughout your whole life you'll try to earn love. In therapy, avoiding pain causes blockage. Yet nobody can confront being neglected or hated without feeling guilty. "It is my fault that my mother is cruel," he thinks. "I made my mother furious; what can I do to make her loving?" So he will continue trying to make her love him. The guilt is really protection against the terrible realization that you are fated to have a mother who cannot love. This is much more painful than to think, "Oh, she is a good mother, it's only me who's bad." Because then you can try to do something to get love. But it's not true; you cannot earn love. And feeling guilty for what has been done to you only supports your blindness and your neurosis.
I try to reach the child in the readers, allow them to feel. I see my style as ranking keys. Everybody can take one so that they can go open their own door to find something. Or they can say no, I don't want to go through this door; I will return the key. I try to evoke feelings, images. In this way I offer keys to your own experience. You can then go look at your children and learn from them, not from me. Because only from your own experience can you really learn.
In my first studies I was very abstract; I wanted to understand the most abstract ideas -- of Kant, Hegel, or Marx. My dissertation in philosophy was very abstract. Now I see that each philosopher had to build a big, big building in order not to feel his pain. Even Freud.
If a child has been molested and the therapist doesn't deny this fact, many things can open up in the patient. The therapist must not preach forgiveness, or the patient will repress the pain. He won't change, and the repressed rage will look for a scapegoat."
Please read the full interview HERE.
It’s an eye opener. I hope you find the courage to read it and feel your true feelings and help your viewers see and feel these fundamental truths.
Wish you much courage and best wishes, Sylvie
Schiavonne: ""Pain is the way to the truth. By denying that you were unloved as a child, you spare yourself some pain, but you are not with your own truth. And throughout your whole life you'll try to earn love. In therapy, avoiding pain causes blockage. Yet nobody can confront being neglected or hated without feeling guilty. "It is my fault that my mother is cruel," he thinks. "I made my mother furious; what can I do to make her loving?" So he will continue trying to make her love him. The guilt is really protection against the terrible realization that you are fated to have a mother who cannot love. This is much more painful than to think, "Oh, she is a good mother, it's only me who's bad." Because then you can try to do something to get love. But it's not true; you cannot earn love. And feeling guilty for what has been done to you only supports your blindness and your neurosis."
This passage sounded like me before I had courage to condemn my mother of her treatment of me. I never liked how she hit me as a small child and yelled at me when I was older, but I felt that I had to stay loyal to her anyway. These conflicting feelings bothered me so much that I decided to ask Alice Miller for some advice. I wrote the following e-mail early last year:
Dear Ms. Miller,
I read some of your articles stating that sometimes it is best to distance yourself from an unrepentant parent since depending on him/her for love and security is childish, and that an adult is free to engage in relationships elsewhere. I feel that doing this would make me feel better and free, but I have a problem.
On one hand, I am still angry at my mother for the harsh discipline she brought me up with and that she lectures me as if I'm a naive child. (I'm planning on living in an apartment within a few months.) I'm going on twenty-one for crying out loud, and she acts as if I live in a bubble. (Examples include "there are people that you can trust and people that you can't trust") Well, duh! I don't easily trust people anyway. And if I have any issues during my time living on my own, I should come straight to her. (As if I'm not supposed to seek out any other options.)
On the other hand, though, she said that she would help me with expenses for the apartment, since I'm still in college and I'm saving money. She is pretty ill, (she has to take her blood pressure every day, medication, etc.) She also wants me to help her with her schooling because she is planning to go back to school and I agreed.
While distancing myself from her would be better for me, I fear that telling her that she abused me would make her sicker. I appreciate the good things she did for me, yet the bad things she did still burn in my memory, and I won't forgive her as long as she feels justified for what she did to me. I also fear that my older siblings would hold a grudge against me and say that I didn't appreciate her and that our father is the real abuser. (My dad abused my mother, brother, and to a lesser extent my sister. I was told that I was his favorite. My parents separated when I was three years old, and divorced when I was eleven. Even after they separated, I visited Dad every now and then until I was eight. I didn't see him again until last year. He told my siblings and I that he was sorry for what he did in the past and is working on improving himself. He stopped drinking excessively and is working on getting back into our lives. My siblings and I still talk to him on the phone. I still don't feel ready to have a close relationship with him, but I'm giving him a chance. I'm not sure how my sister feels about him, but my brother and Mom still have a grudge against him since they knew him the longest. I find this odd because at least he's trying to change, and they know what abuse is like, yet they both support corporal punishment.)
My mom was raised by her grandmother because her mother died when she was ten years old. My mom told me that her grandmother was very strict such as locking up the fridge until it was mealtime, and making her and her siblings iron sheets. I assume that my great-grandmother also used corporal punishment on her. Yet, my mom doesn't seem ashamed of her upbringing and hails her as a goddess. Maybe that's why she's so sick now. (I'm relating to your phrase, "The Body Never Lies"; I couldn't agree more.)
Anyway, should I tell her the painful truth and risk worsening her sickness and having my siblings mad at me or is there another option?
SR
Here was her response:
AM: Your dilemma is absolutely understandable in your age. If you read The Body Never Lies you know that dependency increases the hatred. But maybe you need more time to make your decisions. Try to listen to your feelings and to take them seriously.
I was disappointed with her answer at first because it wasn't what I wanted to hear. After doing some thinking though, I realized that it did me no good to stay close to her while having mixed feelings about her, too. A week after seeking advice from Ms. Miller, I had the courage to write and send a letter to Mom to tell her my true feelings about her. The letter can be found HERE
I am now thankful that Ms. Miller didn't tell me what I wanted to hear because the truth is better than wishful thinking.
I think that you mentioned sending Oprah these letters back when you were in that anti-corporal punishment group before you left. (By the way, I left, too, back in March. It's sad that even noble groups like that one holds on to illusions.) You stated that Oprah either ignored the letters, or deleted them or both. This is more evidence that she wants to deny her pain and it's dangerous that she encourages her followers to do the same.
I'm sorry if this is a bit long-winded, but I couldn't limit my response to your post to a few sentences like I usually do. Anyway, keep up the good work. I feel that you are picking up where Ms. Miller left off.
Posted by Schiavonne on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 7:35 AM
Schiavonne
Note about link to my letter: For some odd reason, there is an error when you click on it. I found out that copying and pasting the link to a different browser works.
Posted by Schiavonne on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 10:08 AM
Dear Schiavonne, Thank you so much for writing and sharing your letters to Alice Miller and your Mother. I enjoy reading very much, they brought tears to my eyes, it’s a joy to see a young person like you with so much courage to see and feel. You said: “ Anyway, keep up the good work. I feel that you are picking up where Ms. Miller left off.” This is the biggest compliment anyone could ever give me. Thank you. I will never be able to fill the shoes of Dr. Alice Miller, I am dyslexic and I drop out of school in the seven grade, so expressing myself does not come easy, I will never be able to articulate the knowledge I feel and shared with Dr. Alice Miller, like she did, but you can be a sure that I will try to carry her torch every where I go and as far I can go. Some people get annoyed that I quote and mention Alice Miller’s work a lot, but she is the only person I know that articulates what I see and feel so well, the only reason they get annoyed is because the truth we are putting in front of them is too much for them to bear. I read a lot self-help books before I read Dr. Alice Miller’s books and after reading all those books I always felt there was not quite right and I needed to search farther. Not until I read and digested Dr. Alice Millers’ books I felt I was hearing the whole truth at last and no longer needed to keep searching, finally I had found all the answers to my questions and I no longer felt alone with my perceptions, it was liberating. I am amazed at these so called “educated” smart people, especially on TV, but are not able to see these psychological mechanisms and me that I was consider to be stupid, mental challenged while I was growing up and I drop out of school in the seven grade can see so clear. Now looking back I think everyone try so hard to make me feel stupid was because they felt threatened by my courage. Congratulations on your courage to see and feel our world is in desperate need of more courageous young people like you.
Also read Oprah is more concerned about her image than the truth and facts.
Dear Oprah,
I use to be a big fan of yours, but after I read Alice Miller's books and I realized that your show was a big illusion. That you and your viewers are running, avoiding from facing the true personal truth and feeling the repressed painful emotions of the little girl/boy inside. And I stopped distracting myself with TV shows that don't give the full story and the whole truth, but in fact give mislead information; most people on TV are very articulate and say very seductive words that are just like drugs that keep us numb, distracted from facing our painful truth and from feeling our painful emotions that still are repressed inside us.
Have you read the book the "The Body Never Lies: The Lingering Effects of Cruel Parenting" By Alice Miller. Your body is telling your truth through symptoms. The reason you keep coming back to the weight issue is because you are not taking the time to listen, pay attention and feeling the repressed painful emotions of the little wounded girl still inside of you.
Please visit Alice Miller website.
The Roots of Violence are NOT Unknown
I wish you much courage,
Sylvie Shene
Second letter to Oprah
Dear Oprah,
Last week I sent you a letter. I like to add to that letter the need to connect the dots in our lives. You shared on TV that you feel ashamed for gaining the weight back; the weight gain is just the trigger of the repressed feelings of the little girl still inside of you that is still in pain and feeling very ashamed. What is unconscious always win, no matter how hard we work to keep it repressed with distractions and illusions. Nothing in the external world, no religion, not political party, not a perfect body, not a job, not a relationship and not any amount of money can save us from the pain of our past. Until we walk through our pain, we will keep repeating, recreating our past in the present moment. Dr. Alice Miller in her book, The Truth Will Set You Free; Overcoming Emotional Blindness and Finding Your True Adult Self says: "the past always catches up with us, in our relationships with other people and especially with our children." The only way to release the pain is to face it, articulate it and feel all the repressed emotions, until they are gone.
I like to share with you these words from the book: "The Drama of the gifted child, page 94: the search for the true self" by Dr. Alice Miller: --- "… The humiliation, self-disgust, and self-contempt trigger the past situation and, trough the compulsion to repeat, produce the same tragic conditions for pleasure. Seen in this way, the compulsion to repeat is a great opportunity. It can be resolved when feelings in the present situation can be felt and clarified. If no use is made of this opportunity, if the message is ignored, the compulsion to repeat will continue without abating for the person's entire lifetime, although its form may change.
What is unconscious cannot be abolished by proclamation or prohibition. One can, however, develop sensitivity toward recognizing it and begin to experience it consciously, and thus eventually gain control over it…"
Please read this letter written to Dr. Alice Miller. It's an eye opener
I hope you find the courage to see and feel your repressed feelings of the child you once were and help the world see these psychological mechanisms, so people can stop passing the psychological virus to the next generation. If we want to save ourselves and the planet it never has been a bigger emergency for us to face these psychological facts.
Sincerely,
Sylvie Shene
Third letter to Oprah
Dear Oprah,
In this Interview "The feeling child" with Alice Miller by Diane Connors for OMNI Publications International March 1987 --- Dr. Alice Miller says:
"Pain is the way to the truth. By denying that you were unloved as a child, you spare yourself some pain, but you are not with your own truth. And throughout your whole life you'll try to earn love. In therapy, avoiding pain causes blockage. Yet nobody can confront being neglected or hated without feeling guilty. "It is my fault that my mother is cruel," he thinks. "I made my mother furious; what can I do to make her loving?" So he will continue trying to make her love him. The guilt is really protection against the terrible realization that you are fated to have a mother who cannot love. This is much more painful than to think, "Oh, she is a good mother, it's only me who's bad." Because then you can try to do something to get love. But it's not true; you cannot earn love. And feeling guilty for what has been done to you only supports your blindness and your neurosis.
I try to reach the child in the readers, allow them to feel. I see my style as ranking keys. Everybody can take one so that they can go open their own door to find something. Or they can say no, I don't want to go through this door; I will return the key. I try to evoke feelings, images. In this way I offer keys to your own experience. You can then go look at your children and learn from them, not from me. Because only from your own experience can you really learn.
In my first studies I was very abstract; I wanted to understand the most abstract ideas -- of Kant, Hegel, or Marx. My dissertation in philosophy was very abstract. Now I see that each philosopher had to build a big, big building in order not to feel his pain. Even Freud.
If a child has been molested and the therapist doesn't deny this fact, many things can open up in the patient. The therapist must not preach forgiveness, or the patient will repress the pain. He won't change, and the repressed rage will look for a scapegoat."
Please read the full interview HERE.
It’s an eye opener. I hope you find the courage to read it and feel your true feelings and help your viewers see and feel these fundamental truths.
Wish you much courage and best wishes, Sylvie
Schiavonne: ""Pain is the way to the truth. By denying that you were unloved as a child, you spare yourself some pain, but you are not with your own truth. And throughout your whole life you'll try to earn love. In therapy, avoiding pain causes blockage. Yet nobody can confront being neglected or hated without feeling guilty. "It is my fault that my mother is cruel," he thinks. "I made my mother furious; what can I do to make her loving?" So he will continue trying to make her love him. The guilt is really protection against the terrible realization that you are fated to have a mother who cannot love. This is much more painful than to think, "Oh, she is a good mother, it's only me who's bad." Because then you can try to do something to get love. But it's not true; you cannot earn love. And feeling guilty for what has been done to you only supports your blindness and your neurosis."
This passage sounded like me before I had courage to condemn my mother of her treatment of me. I never liked how she hit me as a small child and yelled at me when I was older, but I felt that I had to stay loyal to her anyway. These conflicting feelings bothered me so much that I decided to ask Alice Miller for some advice. I wrote the following e-mail early last year:
Dear Ms. Miller,
I read some of your articles stating that sometimes it is best to distance yourself from an unrepentant parent since depending on him/her for love and security is childish, and that an adult is free to engage in relationships elsewhere. I feel that doing this would make me feel better and free, but I have a problem.
On one hand, I am still angry at my mother for the harsh discipline she brought me up with and that she lectures me as if I'm a naive child. (I'm planning on living in an apartment within a few months.) I'm going on twenty-one for crying out loud, and she acts as if I live in a bubble. (Examples include "there are people that you can trust and people that you can't trust") Well, duh! I don't easily trust people anyway. And if I have any issues during my time living on my own, I should come straight to her. (As if I'm not supposed to seek out any other options.)
On the other hand, though, she said that she would help me with expenses for the apartment, since I'm still in college and I'm saving money. She is pretty ill, (she has to take her blood pressure every day, medication, etc.) She also wants me to help her with her schooling because she is planning to go back to school and I agreed.
While distancing myself from her would be better for me, I fear that telling her that she abused me would make her sicker. I appreciate the good things she did for me, yet the bad things she did still burn in my memory, and I won't forgive her as long as she feels justified for what she did to me. I also fear that my older siblings would hold a grudge against me and say that I didn't appreciate her and that our father is the real abuser. (My dad abused my mother, brother, and to a lesser extent my sister. I was told that I was his favorite. My parents separated when I was three years old, and divorced when I was eleven. Even after they separated, I visited Dad every now and then until I was eight. I didn't see him again until last year. He told my siblings and I that he was sorry for what he did in the past and is working on improving himself. He stopped drinking excessively and is working on getting back into our lives. My siblings and I still talk to him on the phone. I still don't feel ready to have a close relationship with him, but I'm giving him a chance. I'm not sure how my sister feels about him, but my brother and Mom still have a grudge against him since they knew him the longest. I find this odd because at least he's trying to change, and they know what abuse is like, yet they both support corporal punishment.)
My mom was raised by her grandmother because her mother died when she was ten years old. My mom told me that her grandmother was very strict such as locking up the fridge until it was mealtime, and making her and her siblings iron sheets. I assume that my great-grandmother also used corporal punishment on her. Yet, my mom doesn't seem ashamed of her upbringing and hails her as a goddess. Maybe that's why she's so sick now. (I'm relating to your phrase, "The Body Never Lies"; I couldn't agree more.)
Anyway, should I tell her the painful truth and risk worsening her sickness and having my siblings mad at me or is there another option?
SR
Here was her response:
AM: Your dilemma is absolutely understandable in your age. If you read The Body Never Lies you know that dependency increases the hatred. But maybe you need more time to make your decisions. Try to listen to your feelings and to take them seriously.
I was disappointed with her answer at first because it wasn't what I wanted to hear. After doing some thinking though, I realized that it did me no good to stay close to her while having mixed feelings about her, too. A week after seeking advice from Ms. Miller, I had the courage to write and send a letter to Mom to tell her my true feelings about her. The letter can be found HERE
I am now thankful that Ms. Miller didn't tell me what I wanted to hear because the truth is better than wishful thinking.
I think that you mentioned sending Oprah these letters back when you were in that anti-corporal punishment group before you left. (By the way, I left, too, back in March. It's sad that even noble groups like that one holds on to illusions.) You stated that Oprah either ignored the letters, or deleted them or both. This is more evidence that she wants to deny her pain and it's dangerous that she encourages her followers to do the same.
I'm sorry if this is a bit long-winded, but I couldn't limit my response to your post to a few sentences like I usually do. Anyway, keep up the good work. I feel that you are picking up where Ms. Miller left off.
Posted by Schiavonne on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 7:35 AM
Schiavonne
Note about link to my letter: For some odd reason, there is an error when you click on it. I found out that copying and pasting the link to a different browser works.
Posted by Schiavonne on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 10:08 AM
Dear Schiavonne, Thank you so much for writing and sharing your letters to Alice Miller and your Mother. I enjoy reading very much, they brought tears to my eyes, it’s a joy to see a young person like you with so much courage to see and feel. You said: “ Anyway, keep up the good work. I feel that you are picking up where Ms. Miller left off.” This is the biggest compliment anyone could ever give me. Thank you. I will never be able to fill the shoes of Dr. Alice Miller, I am dyslexic and I drop out of school in the seven grade, so expressing myself does not come easy, I will never be able to articulate the knowledge I feel and shared with Dr. Alice Miller, like she did, but you can be a sure that I will try to carry her torch every where I go and as far I can go. Some people get annoyed that I quote and mention Alice Miller’s work a lot, but she is the only person I know that articulates what I see and feel so well, the only reason they get annoyed is because the truth we are putting in front of them is too much for them to bear. I read a lot self-help books before I read Dr. Alice Miller’s books and after reading all those books I always felt there was not quite right and I needed to search farther. Not until I read and digested Dr. Alice Millers’ books I felt I was hearing the whole truth at last and no longer needed to keep searching, finally I had found all the answers to my questions and I no longer felt alone with my perceptions, it was liberating. I am amazed at these so called “educated” smart people, especially on TV, but are not able to see these psychological mechanisms and me that I was consider to be stupid, mental challenged while I was growing up and I drop out of school in the seven grade can see so clear. Now looking back I think everyone try so hard to make me feel stupid was because they felt threatened by my courage. Congratulations on your courage to see and feel our world is in desperate need of more courageous young people like you.
Also read Oprah is more concerned about her image than the truth and facts.
Sunday, December 16, 2012
Random acts violence.
It’s very sad that the world
witenessed another random extreem act of vilonce and is very frustrating to me
to see well-meaning people saying very well-articulated memorized half-truths
on Facebook, but because they themselves have not resolved their own repressed
emotions from their own childhood, they don’t realize they are still covertly
enabling to the random acts of violence, some to the extreme scale like we
witness last Friday to continue in one form or another.
I see some people here preaching to people not to abuse their children, but then they also preach against abortion and they don’t realize being against abortion are contributing to child abuse to continue.
Preaching never worked and will never work no matter how hard we preach.
The only way we can ever stop enabling these acts of violence against innocent beings that be children other adults or animals, is if we stop preaching and find the courage to face and feel our own repression and then we share our experiences how we liberated ourselves from our own repression and hopefully in this way helps others rather the courage to face, feel and resolve their own repression and this is the only way we stop enabling acts of violence to continue.
By contrast, children who have been informed about the early
injuries inflicted on them will be much more critical of brutal movies or
quickly lose interest in them altogether. They may even find it easier to see
through the dissociated sadism of the moviemakers than do the many adults who
are unwilling to face to the suffering of the maltreated children they once
were. Such adults may be fascinated by scenes of violence without suspecting
that they are being forced to consume the emotional trash peddled as “art” by filmmakers
who are unaware that they are in fact parading their own histories.”
1. The development of the human brain is use-dependent. The brain develops its structure in the first four years of life, depending on the experiences the environment offers the child. The brain of a child who has mostly loving experiences will develop differently from the brain of a child who has been treated cruelly.
2. Almost all children on our planet are beaten in the first years of their lives. They learn from the start violence, and this lesson is wired into their developing brains. No child is ever born violent. Violence is NOT genetic, it exists because beaten children use, in their adult lives, the lesson that their brains have learned.
3. As beaten children are not allowed to defend themselves, they must suppress their anger and rage against their parents who have humiliated them, killed their inborn empathy, and insulted their dignity. They will take out this rage later, as adults, on scapegoats, mostly on their own children. Deprived of empathy, some of them will direct their anger against themselves (in eating disorders, drug addiction, depression etc.), or against other adults (in wars, terrorism, delinquency etc.)
Questions and Answers:
Q: Parents beat their children without a second thought, to make them obedient. Nobody, except a very small minority, protests against this dangerous habit. Why is the logical sequence (from being a misled victim to becoming a misleading perpetrator) totally ignored world-wide? Why have even the Popes, responsible for the moral behaviour of many millions of believers, until now never informed them that beating children is a crime?
A: Because almost ALL of us were beaten, and we had to learn very early that these cruel acts were normal, harmless, and even good for us. Nobody ever told us that they were crimes against humanity. The wrong, immoral, and absurd lesson was wired into our developing brains, and this explains the emotional blindness governing our world.
Q: Can we free ourselves from the emotional blindness we developed in childhood?
A: We can - at least to some degree - liberate ourselves from this blindness by daring to feel our repressed emotions, including our fear and forbidden rage against our parents who had often scared us to death for periods of many years, which should have been the most beautiful years of our lives. We can't retrieve those years. But thanks to facing our truth we can transform ourselves from the children who still live in us full of fear and denial into responsible, well informed adults who regained their empathy, so early stolen from them. By becoming feeling persons we can no longer deny that beating children is a criminal act that should be forbidden on the whole planet.
Conclusion:
Caring for the emotional needs of our children means more than giving them a happy childhood. It means to enable the brains of the future adults to function in a healthy, rational way, free from perversion and madness. Being forced to learn in childhood that hitting children is a blessing for them is a most absurd, confusing lesson, one with the most dangerous consequences: This lesson as such, together with being cut off from the true emotions, creates the roots of violence.
http://www.alice-miller.com/flyers_en.php
I see some people here preaching to people not to abuse their children, but then they also preach against abortion and they don’t realize being against abortion are contributing to child abuse to continue.
Preaching never worked and will never work no matter how hard we preach.
The only way we can ever stop enabling these acts of violence against innocent beings that be children other adults or animals, is if we stop preaching and find the courage to face and feel our own repression and then we share our experiences how we liberated ourselves from our own repression and hopefully in this way helps others rather the courage to face, feel and resolve their own repression and this is the only way we stop enabling acts of violence to continue.
As Alice Miller
says: “The injunction against abortion goes even further: Consciously
or unconsciously, it represents support for cruelty against children and active
complicity in the creation of unwanted existences, existences that can easily
become a liability for the community at large.”
Also in her book “Free from Lies” Alice Miller
says it best:
“There is still a widespread belief that children are
incapable of feeling: either the things done to them will have no consequences
at all, or those consequences will be different from what they would be in an
adult. The simple reason advanced for the belief is that they are “still
children.” Only a short while ago it was permissible to operate on children
without giving them an anesthetic. Above all, the custom of circumcising boys
and girls and subjecting them to sadistic initiation ritual is still quite normal
practice in many countries, blows inflicted on adults count as grievous bodily
harm to torture; those inflicted on children go by the name of upbringing, Is
this not in itself sufficient and incontrovertible proof that most people have
suffered serious brain damage, a “lesion” or a gaping void where would expect
to find empathy, particularly for children? Effectively, this observation is
evidence in favor of the theory that all those beaten in childhood must have
sustained subsequent damage to the brain, as almost all adults are more or less
impervious to the violence done to children!
In my quest for an explanation of this fact, I decided in
2002 to find out at what age parents thought they might begin impressing the
necessity of good behavior on their children by giving them “little” smacks and
slaps. As there were no statistics available on this point, I instructed a
survey institute to ask one hundred mothers from different strata of society
how their children were when they first decided it was necessary to make them
behave better by administering slaps to their hands or bottoms. The responses
were extremely enlightening…
As far as I know, what infants feel when they are physically
attacked and the affects that suppression of these feelings have on the life of
individual adults and the whole fabric of society are issues that have never
been address by philosophers, sociologists, or theologians. The lengths to
which the evasion of the issues has gone struck me with full force recently
when I was reading a superbly written and highly informative book on the
subject of anger. The book describes with minute precision the disastrous
effects of anger directed at scapegoats in the course of history. But nowhere in
the four hundred pages is there any reference to the origins of such anger. At
no point does the author indicate that the anger felt by every individual
person stems from the primary, justified anger of the small child at the blows
on it by the parents. The immediate
expression of anger is suppressed, but at a later stage this suppressed fury
will be direct at innocent victims with uninhibited savage.
As the torture of children and the suppression and denial of
that torture are so widespread, one might assume that this protective mechanism
is part of human nature, that it is designed to spare us pain and hence plays a
salutary role. But there are at least two facts that militate against this
interpretation:
First, the fact that suppressed abuse is passed on to
the next generation so that the progression of violence cannot be halted; and
second, the fact that remembrance of the abuse we have been subjected to cause
the symptoms of illness to disappear.
…The unspoken injuries can heal if they are
not left to fester in the unconscious. When children given this kind of
information later become parents themselves, they will no longer compulsively
repeat the sometimes brutal or perverted behavior of their parents, as the
suppression of their injuries will not drive them to do so. …Children who are
told the truth and are not brought up to tolerate lies and cruelty can develop
as freely as a plant whose roots have not been attacked by pests (in our case
lies).
The words below by Alice Miller in the same
book “Free from Lies” articulates my experience with people that by adolescence
the defense mechanisms have been firmly cemented and once they are cemented is
near to impossible to soften cement.
“The best time for a conversation with one’s
children about the injuries inflicted on them is probably between the ages of
four and twelve, at all events before the onset of puberty. In adolescence the
interest in this topic will probably wane. At this stage defense mechanisms
militating against the remembrance of early suffering may already be firmly cemented,
particularly as adolescent children will soon have children of their own and as
parents can then experience position of strength enabling them to completely
forget how helpless they once were. But there are exceptions, and in adult life
there are also times, despite considerable success in their present-day
careers, some physical illness may force people to face up to the questions
posed by their childhood.”
I went to a party last night and a lady that
was 48 years old had given a baby girl up for adoption when she was 17, she was
so sad, everywhere I go I just see people in deep pain trying to forget, but
they are somethings you can never forget, like giving a child up for adoption…
and I am sure the pain of the child she given up for adoption is even much
deeper and if completely repressed she will unconsciously and compulsively
reenact what happened to her when she was a little baby by emotionally or physically
or both abandoned her own child when she becomes a mother without having memory
of what she went through as a little baby, it’s so sad these traumas continue
and progressing into the next generation and these unresolved traumas is what
contributes to the escalation of extreme
random acts of violence we witness in the world.
The Roots of Violence are NOT Unknown
The misled brain and the banned emotions
The Facts:1. The development of the human brain is use-dependent. The brain develops its structure in the first four years of life, depending on the experiences the environment offers the child. The brain of a child who has mostly loving experiences will develop differently from the brain of a child who has been treated cruelly.
2. Almost all children on our planet are beaten in the first years of their lives. They learn from the start violence, and this lesson is wired into their developing brains. No child is ever born violent. Violence is NOT genetic, it exists because beaten children use, in their adult lives, the lesson that their brains have learned.
3. As beaten children are not allowed to defend themselves, they must suppress their anger and rage against their parents who have humiliated them, killed their inborn empathy, and insulted their dignity. They will take out this rage later, as adults, on scapegoats, mostly on their own children. Deprived of empathy, some of them will direct their anger against themselves (in eating disorders, drug addiction, depression etc.), or against other adults (in wars, terrorism, delinquency etc.)
Questions and Answers:
Q: Parents beat their children without a second thought, to make them obedient. Nobody, except a very small minority, protests against this dangerous habit. Why is the logical sequence (from being a misled victim to becoming a misleading perpetrator) totally ignored world-wide? Why have even the Popes, responsible for the moral behaviour of many millions of believers, until now never informed them that beating children is a crime?
A: Because almost ALL of us were beaten, and we had to learn very early that these cruel acts were normal, harmless, and even good for us. Nobody ever told us that they were crimes against humanity. The wrong, immoral, and absurd lesson was wired into our developing brains, and this explains the emotional blindness governing our world.
Q: Can we free ourselves from the emotional blindness we developed in childhood?
A: We can - at least to some degree - liberate ourselves from this blindness by daring to feel our repressed emotions, including our fear and forbidden rage against our parents who had often scared us to death for periods of many years, which should have been the most beautiful years of our lives. We can't retrieve those years. But thanks to facing our truth we can transform ourselves from the children who still live in us full of fear and denial into responsible, well informed adults who regained their empathy, so early stolen from them. By becoming feeling persons we can no longer deny that beating children is a criminal act that should be forbidden on the whole planet.
Conclusion:
Caring for the emotional needs of our children means more than giving them a happy childhood. It means to enable the brains of the future adults to function in a healthy, rational way, free from perversion and madness. Being forced to learn in childhood that hitting children is a blessing for them is a most absurd, confusing lesson, one with the most dangerous consequences: This lesson as such, together with being cut off from the true emotions, creates the roots of violence.
http://www.alice-miller.com/flyers_en.php
Saturday, December 8, 2012
Facing and feeling the repressed emotions of the child we once were --- Part 3
Hi X,
Thank you for writing. You are describing what’s like going through the emotions of the baby you once were of being abandoned by your biological mother with a woman that would put you through terror for so many years.
After my boyfriend left and triggered the repressed emotions of the baby I once was of not being wanted and abandoned in my crib and playpen for hours and hours that for a little baby felt like an eternity. While I was experiencing, feeling the emotions of the baby and like a baby would feel, I thought I would feel that way forever and I would think of suicide, but thanks to reading Alice Miller’s books the adult in me, now, would talk to myself and tell myself that this was the repressed emotions of the baby I once was and would not last forever and consciously feeling them would not kill me, but to the contrary would liberate me and really be free for the first time to live my true life and once these emotions were understood in the right context they would soon subside and at the end it felt like I just gave birth to myself.
When I said addicted to pain, it probably would be more accurate to say addicted to suffering, because people’s suffering is caused by them running or avoiding from feeling the repressed raw pain of the child we once were and this raw pain is what most people are afraid of feeling.
This quote by Alice comes to mind: “Several mechanisms can be recognized in the defense against early feelings of abandonment. In addition to simple denial, we usually find the exhausting struggle to fulfill the old, repressed, and by now often perverted needs with the help of symbols (cults, sexual perversions, groups of all kinds, alcohol, or drugs). Intellectualization is very commonly encountered as well since it is a defense mechanism of great power.” Alice Miller (The Drama of the Gifted Child: The search for the True Self) Page 11.
Another quote by Alice just came to mind, also from The Drama Of The Gifted Child” She says: “Take, for example, the feelings of abandonment---not that of the adult, who feels lonely and therefore turns to alcohol or drugs, goes out to a movie, visits friends, or makes “unnecessary” telephone calls in order to bridge the gap somehow. No, I mean the original feelings in the small infant, who had none of these means of distraction and whose communications, verbal or preverbal, did not reach the mother because his mother was deprived. For her part, she dependent on a specific echo from the child that was essential to her, for she herself was a child in search of a person who could be available to her.”
When I told you that the door of being adopted was a door you would have to enter and feel, experience what felt like for the baby you once were of being separated from your mother the only woman you were most close to and be left with a stranger that would torture you and scare you to death. You got mad at me: saying you were to afraid and not ready to feel, but you are stronger than you thought because you are entering that door and exploring what it was like for the baby you once were.
In a past e-mail you mentioned that you found Alice Miller’s book by accident and then you asked your therapist if he read Alice’s books and he said yes and then you asked him why he had not suggested her books to you and he responded that he thought you were not ready for her books, but my question is: who is not ready? He or you and who is most afraid of your emotions him or you, because when a therapist tell his patients the truth transference is part of therapy and is unavoidable , just like when I told you what I was seeing, it triggered your repressed anger and you got mad at me and transferred your anger at me and I think your therapist is afraid of the transference stage, because is a risk you might get really mad at him and if you really are not ready to see transference for what it is and feel the raw pain within the context of your childhood you might leave therapy and if you are ready to feel the raw pain in the right context you will be liberated and no longer in need of a therapist, so he will lose you as a patient either way and probably he is dependent on you for his survival, just as you are dependent on him to take care of the wounded child in you, just as Alice Miller says: “In therapy, avoiding pain causes blockage. Yet nobody can confront being neglected or hated without feeling guilty. "It is my fault that my mother is cruel," he thinks. "I made my mother furious; what can I do to make her loving?" So he will continue trying to make her love him. The guilt is really protection against the terrible realization that you are fated to have a mother who cannot love. This is much more painful than to think, "Oh, she is a good mother, it's only me who's bad." Because then you can try to do something to get love. But it's not true; you cannot earn love. And feeling guilty for what has been done to you only supports your blindness and your neurosis."
Why would he protect you from telling you the truth and make a decision you were not ready to deal with it, if you were not ready you would let him know like you told me, but obviously you are stronger and courageous than you thought, because you are opening the door I pointed you to and I congratulate you!
Wishing you much courage and strength to get through the exploration of the feelings of the baby and child you once were,
Sylvie
P.S. To read part 1 and 2 click on the links below:
Facing and feeling the repressed emotions of the child we once were --- Part 1
http://sylvieshene.blogspot.com/2012/11/facing-and-feeling-repressed-emotions.html
In a past e-mail you mentioned that you found Alice Miller’s book by accident and then you asked your therapist if he read Alice’s books and he said yes and then you asked him why he had not suggested her books to you and he responded that he thought you were not ready for her books, but my question is: who is not ready? He or you and who is most afraid of your emotions him or you, because when a therapist tell his patients the truth transference is part of therapy and is unavoidable , just like when I told you what I was seeing, it triggered your repressed anger and you got mad at me and transferred your anger at me and I think your therapist is afraid of the transference stage, because is a risk you might get really mad at him and if you really are not ready to see transference for what it is and feel the raw pain within the context of your childhood you might leave therapy and if you are ready to feel the raw pain in the right context you will be liberated and no longer in need of a therapist, so he will lose you as a patient either way and probably he is dependent on you for his survival, just as you are dependent on him to take care of the wounded child in you, just as Alice Miller says: “In therapy, avoiding pain causes blockage. Yet nobody can confront being neglected or hated without feeling guilty. "It is my fault that my mother is cruel," he thinks. "I made my mother furious; what can I do to make her loving?" So he will continue trying to make her love him. The guilt is really protection against the terrible realization that you are fated to have a mother who cannot love. This is much more painful than to think, "Oh, she is a good mother, it's only me who's bad." Because then you can try to do something to get love. But it's not true; you cannot earn love. And feeling guilty for what has been done to you only supports your blindness and your neurosis."
Why would he protect you from telling you the truth and make a decision you were not ready to deal with it, if you were not ready you would let him know like you told me, but obviously you are stronger and courageous than you thought, because you are opening the door I pointed you to and I congratulate you!
Wishing you much courage and strength to get through the exploration of the feelings of the baby and child you once were,
Sylvie
P.S. To read part 1 and 2 click on the links below:
Facing and feeling the repressed emotions of the child we once were --- Part 1
http://sylvieshene.blogspot.com/2012/11/facing-and-feeling-repressed-emotions.html
Facing and feeling the repressed emotions of the child we once were --- Part 2
http://sylvieshene.blogspot.com/2012/11/facing-and-feeling-repressed-emotions_29.html Wednesday, December 5, 2012
Staying trapped in the hatred toward scapegoats can't be the successful end of a therapy.
Hi X,
I don’t have time to write right now, but I just want to tell you that I am not trying to hurry you up. You face your fears and feel your pain at your speed, but as long you project your anger at me “a scapegoat” you are going to stay trapped and if seven years of therapy has not helped you feel your feelings in the right context and use the triggers effectively, I would start questioning the therapist, because you probably have spent a lot of money to still be trapped directing your anger at scapegoats after seven years of therapy. Just as Alice Miller said to me: “Thank you for your thoughtful letter I agree with you that there is a difference between the powerless, legitimate rage of a desperate child that reacts to the cruelty of their parents and the rage of the adult who is attacking others out of denial of their history by imitating the behavior of own parents from the position of "power" (even grandiosity). The first rage (of the child) should be felt and expressed in therapy, it can be then RESOLVED. The second one (of the adult), directed toward scapegoats, can NEVER be resolved (see dictators). If therapists see it as an end point of their therapies and don’t enable the patients to confront the early parents and the feelings of that time they do much HARM to them. Staying trapped in the hatred toward scapegoats can't be the successful end of a therapy. I hope that you can continue your work if you have this difference in mind and can also explain it in your forum.” You are seeing in me your mother, but I am not the mother that give birth to you and then give you up for adoption to a woman that exploited and abused you when you were a defenseless little child and now your inner child is waiting for you to finally protect him and no longer let anyone use and exploit you and my question is if your therapist might be exploiting you just like your mothers did, but you decide when you are ready to face your fears and feel your pain.
Wishing you courage and strength to face and feel your fears, anger and pain within the context of your childhood,
Sylvie
A good therapist helps us clarify our feelings
Hi X,
In my last e-mail to you I wanted to add Alice Miller’s comment below, but I got interrupted by a resident at my work and then I forgot. I don’t know if your therapist is a good one or not that is something you have to come to see and decide for yourself with the help from your own true feelings, a good therapist encourages autonomy and not addictive dependency on pain and on the therapist, should help the patient use present triggers productively and once a patient learns to use present triggers effectively there is no further need of the therapist’s presence, just like Alice says: ““As adults we don’t need unconditional love, not even from our therapist. This is a childhood need, one can never be fulfilled later in life, and we are playing with illusions if we have never mourned this lost opportunity. But there are others things we can get from good therapist: reliability, honesty, respect, trust, empathy, understanding, and an ability to clarify their emotions so that they need not bother us with them. If a therapist promises unconditional love, we must protect ourselves from him, from his hypocrisy and lack of awareness “Alice Miller (The Drama of the Gifted Child: The search for the True Self) Page 45
In my last e-mail to you I wanted to add Alice Miller’s comment below, but I got interrupted by a resident at my work and then I forgot. I don’t know if your therapist is a good one or not that is something you have to come to see and decide for yourself with the help from your own true feelings, a good therapist encourages autonomy and not addictive dependency on pain and on the therapist, should help the patient use present triggers productively and once a patient learns to use present triggers effectively there is no further need of the therapist’s presence, just like Alice says: ““As adults we don’t need unconditional love, not even from our therapist. This is a childhood need, one can never be fulfilled later in life, and we are playing with illusions if we have never mourned this lost opportunity. But there are others things we can get from good therapist: reliability, honesty, respect, trust, empathy, understanding, and an ability to clarify their emotions so that they need not bother us with them. If a therapist promises unconditional love, we must protect ourselves from him, from his hypocrisy and lack of awareness “Alice Miller (The Drama of the Gifted Child: The search for the True Self) Page 45
I see you might becoming addicted to the therapist
and to pain and not moving through it, but keeping you stuck in the wounded
child and a good therapist helps one move through the pain and not enable the
patient addiction to pain, just as a Alice Miller’s says in her article “The
Longest Journey” “Successful therapy should shorten this long journey. It should
liberate us from our ingrained adaptation strategies and help us learn to trust
our own feelings - something our parents have made difficult, if not
impossible. Because it was prohibited, and hence feared, right from the
beginning, many people find it impossible to embark on such a journey. Later,
the role played initially by our parents is taken over by teachers, priests,
society, and morality, all of them conspiring to cement this fear. And cement,
as we know, is very difficult to soften.”
Best wishes to you,
Sylvie
Tuesday, December 4, 2012
Removing the reins of guilt
Dear
S,
Thank you for writing. In order for me to get an e-mail to inform me someone left me a comment, I need to subscribe to my own posts and I keep forgetting to do that. Thank goodness I subscribe to my last post and got an email notifying me someone left me a comment and then reading your last comment I found out you had left me a comment on the post "Letter to D" also.
Your comments mean a lot to me too, it’s nice to be acknowledged, and please feel free to write me anytime, it’s no bother at all, I enjoy reading your comments. I might not answer you right away, because I have what I call a real job that takes a lot of my time, and plus writing is one of the hardest things in my life to do, but you can be assured eventually I will answer you!
I don’t like labels period, especially the label of psycho/sociopath, because is nothing more than people’s repressed emotions of the wounded child they once were driving them blindly into actions that hurt themselves, others, or both, and by reading your comments you seem to be very aware of the wounded child in you and taking responsibility for it, so I don’t think you are a psychopath/sociopath. To me, a true psychopath/sociopath are those that memorize good knowledge but they don’t use this knowledge to help themselves first and remain wolves inside wearing sheep’s clothing deceiving themselves and others, so they don’t have to face their internalized parents going on idolizing their parents and childhood so not to face and feel their fears of being alone with the painful excruciating feelings of the child they once were and Like parrots use this good knowledge to manipulate others, posing as loving caring people, but under their illusion of love, they misguide their followers into a deeper trap making it harder for true liberation to ever be possible to them and for the people blindly following them.
I too was raised at first in the cult of the catholic religion and then my older sisters became involved with a destructive cult that believes in the insane reincarnation theory. And I too went through the feelings of betraying them, but you are not betraying them, but going along with their illusion of love and seductive lies would be betraying yourself. The more you get in touch with the feelings of the child you once were and feel them in the right context the more you will be able to distinguish between genuine and pretend feelings and never again be deceived by people masquerading with the illusion of love.
Feeling afraid is normal and before you can feel the painful feelings of the child you once were you have to make it safe for you, create a safe place “ a home” where you are safe and free to feel. Guilty feelings are the reins unconsciously our parents and society install on us to control us and to keep us chained into their emotional prison for eternity. This quote by Alice Miller explains how these guilt feelings are installed: “If we were always punished by our parents for the slightest offense, then we integrated a very different kind of knowledge: that owning up to our mistakes is dangerous because it loses us the affection of our parents. The legacy from this experience can be permanent feelings of guilt.”
We must find the courage to remove these reins and feel the pain that we were not loved because real love does not keep us chained by guilt feelings.
Thank you for writing. In order for me to get an e-mail to inform me someone left me a comment, I need to subscribe to my own posts and I keep forgetting to do that. Thank goodness I subscribe to my last post and got an email notifying me someone left me a comment and then reading your last comment I found out you had left me a comment on the post "Letter to D" also.
Your comments mean a lot to me too, it’s nice to be acknowledged, and please feel free to write me anytime, it’s no bother at all, I enjoy reading your comments. I might not answer you right away, because I have what I call a real job that takes a lot of my time, and plus writing is one of the hardest things in my life to do, but you can be assured eventually I will answer you!
I don’t like labels period, especially the label of psycho/sociopath, because is nothing more than people’s repressed emotions of the wounded child they once were driving them blindly into actions that hurt themselves, others, or both, and by reading your comments you seem to be very aware of the wounded child in you and taking responsibility for it, so I don’t think you are a psychopath/sociopath. To me, a true psychopath/sociopath are those that memorize good knowledge but they don’t use this knowledge to help themselves first and remain wolves inside wearing sheep’s clothing deceiving themselves and others, so they don’t have to face their internalized parents going on idolizing their parents and childhood so not to face and feel their fears of being alone with the painful excruciating feelings of the child they once were and Like parrots use this good knowledge to manipulate others, posing as loving caring people, but under their illusion of love, they misguide their followers into a deeper trap making it harder for true liberation to ever be possible to them and for the people blindly following them.
I too was raised at first in the cult of the catholic religion and then my older sisters became involved with a destructive cult that believes in the insane reincarnation theory. And I too went through the feelings of betraying them, but you are not betraying them, but going along with their illusion of love and seductive lies would be betraying yourself. The more you get in touch with the feelings of the child you once were and feel them in the right context the more you will be able to distinguish between genuine and pretend feelings and never again be deceived by people masquerading with the illusion of love.
Feeling afraid is normal and before you can feel the painful feelings of the child you once were you have to make it safe for you, create a safe place “ a home” where you are safe and free to feel. Guilty feelings are the reins unconsciously our parents and society install on us to control us and to keep us chained into their emotional prison for eternity. This quote by Alice Miller explains how these guilt feelings are installed: “If we were always punished by our parents for the slightest offense, then we integrated a very different kind of knowledge: that owning up to our mistakes is dangerous because it loses us the affection of our parents. The legacy from this experience can be permanent feelings of guilt.”
We must find the courage to remove these reins and feel the pain that we were not loved because real love does not keep us chained by guilt feelings.
It took
me years to give up the idea of trying to explain to my family. I wrote many letters
to them before I realize that I was talking to deaf ears and let them go, but
then I transferred this illusion or false hope into my boyfriend a substitute
figure, and took a few more years to give up this illusion that no one in the
external world could ever make up for what I need as a child, but did not get
and now the only way to free myself was to feel the pain of the child I once
was. Just as Alice Miller says: "Pain is the way to
the truth. By denying that you were unloved as a child, you spare yourself some
pain, but you are not with your own truth. And throughout your whole life, you'll try to earn love. In therapy, avoiding pain causes blockage. Yet nobody
can confront being neglected or hated without feeling guilty. "It is my
fault that my mother is cruel," he thinks. "I made my mother furious;
what can I do to make her loving?" So he will continue trying to make her
love him. The guilt is really protection against the terrible realization that
you are fated to have a mother who cannot love. This is much more painful than
to think, "Oh, she is a good mother, it's only me who's bad." Because
then you can try to do something to get love. But it's not true; you cannot
earn love. And feeling guilty for what has been done to you only supports your
blindness and your neurosis." Read more here
I wish you much luck,
courage, and strength in your journey to liberation,
Sylvie
Saturday, December 1, 2012
Her Body, Her Choice
I have this memory of being really proud of my mother, in Portugal there is also a tradition to pierce the ears of baby girls, I was maybe five or six years old, we were washing clothes in the little river in the village and a lady from the village surprised told my mother: senhora Isabel you don’t have your little girl’s ears pierced?! And my mother answered: if she wants her ears pierced, she can do it herself when she is older. I didn’t want my ears pierced and wearing earrings, I was a tomboy! I pierced my ears here in America when I started dancing at the club at the age of 26 years old! So I could wear earrings like the other dancers. A worse custom some countries have is to circumcise baby boys. In her book “Banished Knowledge: Facing Childhood Injuries” Alice Miller, says: “As a rule, children who were once injured will later injure their own children, maintaining that their behavior does no harm because their own loving parents did the same. Historians and psychologists will long continue to ponder the reasons for this outlandish behavior because in their deliberations they overlook the only correct explanation. But in the long run this explanation cannot be avoided, and it becomes obvious the moment the question is asked: What eventually happens to the person who was mutilated as a child? When a small child is tortured by ignorant adults, won't he have to take his revenge later in life? He is bound to avenge himself unless his subsequent life allows the old wounds to heal in love, which is seldom the case. As a rule, children who were once injured will later injure their own children, maintaining that their behavior does no harm because their own loving parents did the same. Besides, in the case of circumcision it is a religious demand, and to many people it is still unthinkable that religion could demand cruelty. But what if the unthinkable is true? Are the children and children's children to be sacrificed because of the ignorance of the priests? It took three thousand years for the church to accept Galileo's proofs and admit its error. Today it is not a matter of theoretical astronomical proofs but of the practical consequences deriving from an insight that could save humanity from self-destruction, because it has already been proven that all destructive behavior has its roots in the repressed traumas of childhood. As soon as legislators become serious about the rights of the child to protection and respect as proclaimed by UNESCO, the fact will have to be acknowledged that ritual circumcisions
1.offer no advantage and are a mutilation;
2.prevent the relaxation experience and lead to over-stimulation with potentially destructive and self-destructive effects;
3.inflict a trauma on the child leading to an injury of his whole being, with the consequences of these injuries affecting not only the individual and his descendants but other human beings as well.”
Also in her book “Breaking Down the Wall of Silence: The Liberating Experience of Facing Painful Truth” Alice Miller speaks of the custom in some countries of female circumcision that also shows the same mechanisms perpetuating male circumcision: “Their consciousness, however, has not registered the realities of their situation. By repressing not only the pain but also their anger and desire for revenge, they have managed to banish consciousness, even idealizing the custom. Today, as a result of their repression, they can justify the procedure as harmless and necessary. They cannot recall their repressed anger and have never grieved about what happened to them. Consequently, they inflict the same ordeal on their children without wishing to acknowledge what they're doing to them.”
1.offer no advantage and are a mutilation;
2.prevent the relaxation experience and lead to over-stimulation with potentially destructive and self-destructive effects;
3.inflict a trauma on the child leading to an injury of his whole being, with the consequences of these injuries affecting not only the individual and his descendants but other human beings as well.”
Also in her book “Breaking Down the Wall of Silence: The Liberating Experience of Facing Painful Truth” Alice Miller speaks of the custom in some countries of female circumcision that also shows the same mechanisms perpetuating male circumcision: “Their consciousness, however, has not registered the realities of their situation. By repressing not only the pain but also their anger and desire for revenge, they have managed to banish consciousness, even idealizing the custom. Today, as a result of their repression, they can justify the procedure as harmless and necessary. They cannot recall their repressed anger and have never grieved about what happened to them. Consequently, they inflict the same ordeal on their children without wishing to acknowledge what they're doing to them.”
Thursday, November 29, 2012
Facing and feeling the repressed emotions of the child we once were --- Part 2
Hi X,
Wishing you strength and courage,
Sylvie
Facing and feeling the repressed emotions of the child we once were --- Part 1
Here is the letter I was working on, it’s kind of a repeat of my response to your last e-mail, but I already had written these words for you, so I thought I send them to you.
Sorry, my English was really bad in my last e-mail, but I was at work and I keep getting interrupted by people making it really hard for me to concentrate on my writing.
I am glad my letter helped you clarify things. Yes, once we understand the repressed feelings of the child we once were and consciously feel them within the context of our own childhood, it becomes a compass for life and no longer blind us, so we are able to see ourselves and others clearly and therefore know the best steps to take care of ourselves in whatever situation we find ourselves in the present moment.
I know it’s hard to be alone with our painful feelings. When the repressed feelings of the child I once was were triggered, I too lost everything in my life, from coming to the end of my dancing carrier and not knowing what I would do next to sustain myself, to my boyfriend leaving me and I knew I could not count on my family for support, so the fear from the uncertainty in the present moment and future it triggered the repressed fears of the child I once was and it cause me few panic attacks of being afraid of stepping out of my house and talking to people, but once I realized that the panic attacks was because of the repressed emotions of the child I once was that they were paralyzing me to take care of myself in the present moment those intense fears would start to subside and the panic attacks started to happen less and if it happened would not last as long and one day in spite the present and future still uncertainty I felt strong and completely trusted myself to take care of me no matter in what situation I would find myself in the present.
It’s understandable you feel hurt by your ex-boyfriend not calling you because it triggers the agonizing painful feelings of the child you once were. You both are reenacting each other’s childhood drama and trigging each other’s repression.
The person that triggers our repression is never the right person to help us navigate and clarify our painful feelings.
You feeling angry at him is understandable, but this anger is of the child you once were at your mother for leaving you alone when you were a defenseless little boy, but you are not defenseless anymore, the adult in you can witness the plight of the child you once were and develop compassion for this child that had to suffer so much all alone.
I wrote the letter below to someone that wrote me a while back and it might be helpful to you too.
Wishing you strength and courage,
Sylvie
Hi R,
Sorry, it took so long to finish your letter, but things kept getting in the middle of it. You might not like what I am going to write and might trigger some anger or unpleasant feelings in you, In Alice Miller’s book “Free from Lies” page 136, she says: “Once the client has achieved the ability to cope with old feelings and productive use of the“triggers,” there is no further need of the therapist’s presence.” We cannot liberate ourselves unless we became fully conscious of our true plight and where we really are. By reading your last e-mail I don’t see you consciously feeling your repressed feelings, I just see you getting close to the entrance, and not making use of the present triggers effectively, but too scared to go in and consciously witness and feel the excruciating feelings of the child you once were and you keep running around trapped in a labyrinth without a way out and stuck in your story compulsively hanging to the illusion of finding a substitute mother figure. When I say that we must wait while we are going through our intense excruciating painful feelings of the child we once were to take action or make life-changing decisions, I don’t mean we stop taking care of ourselves, to the contrary we must take and keep our lives in our own hands and take responsibility for it and do what we need to do take care of ourselves and at the same time taking the time to consciously feel the feelings of the child we once were, this is very tricky, because we need to keep adult conscious at the same time we witness and feel the repressed emotions of the child we once were.
I understand your fears of being alone with the repressed feelings and hanging tight to the hope or illusion to find a substitute mother figure to be there for you all the way holding your hand, that, will understand and give you the love you so much needed as a small child, but this is an illusion that will keep you reenacting your childhood drama over and over again, the chances of finding a true enlightened witness that can be with you all the way in the physical level are very slim and this was a need of the child you once were and now no one can really make up for the love you needed as a small boy, even if you find the most loving place and supportive people, you would still have to feel the pain of not have been loved. We have to become, an enlightened witness, to the child we once were still inside us and give her/him the love and attention that we deserved but never got if we want to be free.
I see yourself surrounding yourself with people, who themselves have not broken free from their own emotional prison, so you don’t have to feel the fear of being alone, and they actually distract you from entering your true painful feelings and getting through them. These words from Alice Miller’s book “The Drama of the Gifted Child” come to mind: “Because of his early experiences with his mother, he cannot believe that this need not happen. If he gives way to this fear and adapts himself, the therapy slides over into the realm of the false self, and the true self remains hidden and undeveloped. It is therefore extremely important that the therapist not allow his own needs to impel him to formulate connections that the patient himself is discovering with the help of his own feelings. Otherwise, he is in danger of behaving like a friend who brings a good meal to a prisoner in his cell, at the precise moment when that prisoner has the chance to escape --- perhaps to spend his first night hungry and without shelter, but in freedom nevertheless. Since this first step into unknown territory would require a great deal of courage, the prisoner may comfort himself with his food and shelter and thus miss his chance and stay in prison.”
I understand your fears of being alone with the repressed feelings and hanging tight to the hope or illusion to find a substitute mother figure to be there for you all the way holding your hand, that, will understand and give you the love you so much needed as a small child, but this is an illusion that will keep you reenacting your childhood drama over and over again, the chances of finding a true enlightened witness that can be with you all the way in the physical level are very slim and this was a need of the child you once were and now no one can really make up for the love you needed as a small boy, even if you find the most loving place and supportive people, you would still have to feel the pain of not have been loved. We have to become, an enlightened witness, to the child we once were still inside us and give her/him the love and attention that we deserved but never got if we want to be free.
I see yourself surrounding yourself with people, who themselves have not broken free from their own emotional prison, so you don’t have to feel the fear of being alone, and they actually distract you from entering your true painful feelings and getting through them. These words from Alice Miller’s book “The Drama of the Gifted Child” come to mind: “Because of his early experiences with his mother, he cannot believe that this need not happen. If he gives way to this fear and adapts himself, the therapy slides over into the realm of the false self, and the true self remains hidden and undeveloped. It is therefore extremely important that the therapist not allow his own needs to impel him to formulate connections that the patient himself is discovering with the help of his own feelings. Otherwise, he is in danger of behaving like a friend who brings a good meal to a prisoner in his cell, at the precise moment when that prisoner has the chance to escape --- perhaps to spend his first night hungry and without shelter, but in freedom nevertheless. Since this first step into unknown territory would require a great deal of courage, the prisoner may comfort himself with his food and shelter and thus miss his chance and stay in prison.”
I see your mother and substitute figures bring the good meal right at the moment you start entering your painful feelings and blocking you from fully entering, exploring them, and preventing you from getting through them to the other side to real freedom.
Sylvie
P.S. To read parts 1 and 3 click in the links below:
http://sylvieshene.blogspot.com/2012/11/facing-and-feeling-repressed-emotions.html
Facing and feeling the repressed emotions of the child we once were --- Part 3
http://sylvieshene.blogspot.com/2012/12/facing-and-feeling-repressed-emotions.html