T, thank you for your support; it’s nice to see there are other people able to see through the masks people use to deceive themselves and others of who they really are. I am glad to see they don’t fool you. Congratulations on not being emotionally blind! Child abuse causes people to be emotionally blind, the fact that a lot of people here are so emotionally blind it just says their childhood abuse was extreme and their denials will not change this reality. People that never face their reality will endless need scapegoats to take revenge for what their caretakers/parents did to them when they were little. Dr. Tiller and pro-choice people make perfect scapegoats for them. Their fight for the unborn children is just a symbolic fight. These people suffer from Stockholm syndrome; read the article “Love and Stockholm syndrome:the Mystery of Loving an abuser”
In their last posts illustrate very well the vicious circle they live in and they are raising the haters of tomorrow. Read the article how “Evil is born anew with every new generation” in the link below:
C: “You are one SICK woman!!! You need psychiatric help BIG time!! I KNOW what my life was and IS and I THANK GOD..that it's not like yours!!”
What is really sick is people fighting for the unborn life/children that are not suffering and not doing anything for the children that are already here and can't protect itself and is being used by unconscious people and suffering all alone.
The Roots of Violence are NOT Unknown
The never acknowledged, never felt pain of their childhood calls for being avenged. They go to church, they pray, they honor their parents, forgive them everything – and they mistreat their children at home, often in a very cruel way, AS IF THIS WERE THE MOST NATURAL THING, because they learned this so early. Their children learn this perverted behavior, also very early, and will later do the same; and so this perverse behavior continues for millennia. Unless people are willing to SEE the perversion of their parents and are ready to consciously refuse to imitate it.
Very few people dared to speak out the truth that most people are afraid of seeing or talking about.”
It’s sad to share the world with these self-righteous, authoritarian and cruel people full of poisonous pedagogy. I am glad I never brought children into this sad world. All the people that scream against health care are the same people that fight against birth control and abortion. They want more people to be born, so they can use, abuse and exploit later on. How clueless can they be, don’t they know if we bring new life into this world and we don’t take care of their needs, this new life when grows up, they will take revenge on society for being born and will put all life in this planet in danger. As Alice Miller’s says: “when see the passion with which Catholic priests - men childless by choice - fight against abortion, I can’t help asking what it is that motivates them. Is it a desire to prove that unlived life, as perhaps their own destinies suggest, is more important and more valuable than lived life? Was that, perhaps, how the parents of those passionately committed to stopping abortion thought, though they expressed it in different ways? Or is it a case of seeing to it that others share the same fate as oneself? Both are possible. Both are dangerous when people are driven to blind and destructive actions by the dead hand of their own repression.”
Ironically, many people who support hitting children say something very similar. Something like If you don't want to hit children don't. But don't tell me how to raise mine.
If I stand for some life but not others then I am being a hypocrite/ phony.
And the simple info about fetuses having a heartbeat at 3 weeks and the like is the truth. That is basic science.
Judgmental insults are not part of the mission here. M The difference between an abortion and abusing children is very different. Abusing children affects the whole society because the abused children will later take revenge on society for being born and will be a destroyer of life and put others in danger. Abortion has no effect on society and because of that it’s no body’s business, but between the woman and her consciousness, but abusing children is everyone business because it affects all of us. Most Parents have children because of their unconscious need to pass on to others the humiliation one has undergone oneself and the need to find an outlet for repressed effect. “The pedagogical conviction that one must bring a child into line from the outset has its origin in the need to split off the disquieting parts of the inner self and project them onto an available object. The child's great plasticity, flexibility, defenselessness, and availability make it the ideal object for this projection. The enemy within, can at last, be hunted down on the outside. Peace advocates are becoming increasingly aware of the role played by these mechanisms, but until it is clearly recognized that they can be traced back to methods of child raising, little can be done to oppose them. For children who have grown up being assailed for qualities, the parents hate in themselves can hardly wait to assign these qualities to someone else so they can once again regard themselves as good, "moral," noble, and altruistic. Such projections can easily become part of an Weltanschauung.” For Your Own Good: Hidden cruelty in child-rearing and the roots of violence by Alice Miller, page 91
Also, it is a stereotypical misconception to think that anti-abortionists are conservative.
Sylvie said: Opposed to abortion! Don’t have one! But don’t dictate on my own body or someone else’s body. I would not ever, ever carry a pregnancy to term and give birth to a new life that I am not sure I would be able to take care of and protect, I would rather die, and for sure I would not give it up for adoption when I know, for sure, that most people desire to have children come from their unconscious need to have an available object to take out, avenge for the wrongs done to them by their own parents. People that idealize their childhood and parents they will keep having a limitless craving for scapegoats on whom they can avenge themselves for the fears and anxieties of childhood without having to re-experience those fears. This is why most pro-spanking people are also pro-lifers and fight so hard for unborn children, they suffer and want to make sure others suffer too, unconsciously or secretly they enjoy seeing others suffer, it’s like they want to make sure they have an endless supply of new victims, scapegoats to use, exploit and use as their scapegoat or poison container. And yes an abortion should be done as soon as possible, right away, but please don’t tell lies and misleading information. I can recognize a phony from a distance!
Children make perfect mirrors, triggers, to rise to the surface, our unconsciousness, all of the traits in ourselves that we have disowned, repressed and denied. No one can trigger in us what’s not already in ourselves. Most parents blame and punish their children for triggering and mirroring those traits back to them. This is the biggest injustice I have whiteness in this world. When this happens parents lose the opportunity of becoming responsible parents and the opportunity for healing to start. This is very sad and tragic. Parents don’t realize that in most cases their desire to have children comes from their unconscious needs and compulsion to recreate their own childhood situation but now to be in control of it.
Not to generalize, but I notice that many pro-lifers tend to be pro-spankers. (Thankfully, there are some pro-lifers who are anti-spankers.) Anyway, why fight so hard to save the embryo or fetus, and then once he/she is born, you slap him/her around and hurt him/her in other ways? I wholeheartedly agree with you that to really be pro-life, you protect and love the child after he/she is born, not just before.