Friday, October 12, 2012

Discussing Politics

Mr. X: I am not anti-woman. I love women and want them to be able to live in a free society that's prosperous and provides opportunities for all. I want women and men to live in a dynamic society where the goal is to create wealth and innovation, not to be dependent on the government unless it's absolutely necessary.

Sylvie: Thank you for writing expressing your thoughts, because I did not expect it, and I congratulate you for your courage. I don’t agree with anything you wrote, they are psychopaths in both parties and both contribute for people to stay dependent with their ignorance equally and I must vote for those that create a policy that allows people to make their own decisions. Life already born that has the right to life and be protected. Giving life to a being that is going to suffer for the rest of her life is cruel. What you said above it will never happen unless women have complete control over their bodies and able to make conscious decisions based on truth and facts, so if it is true that you love women and want all to have opportunities and live in dynamic society where the goal is to create wealth and innovation without being in an exploitative relationships with others and the planet, but everyone wins, a win win situation, you cannot vote for Mitt a cult member that belongs to the mormon cult and in all cults all relationships are exploitative, so Mitt is going to be exploitative or let others exploit him, either way, it’s a lose situation for all.

I don’t have a problem with you voting Republican if the people running in the Republican ticket were somewhere in the middle, but are so extreme to the right and Mitt not only being a member of a political cult he is also a member of a crazy religious cult, double dose! He is a total programmed robot by two cults and he even walks like a robot!

Mr. X: Government dependence traps people in poverty and prevents them from reaching their full potential, in my opinion.

Sylvie: Agree, but both parties equally contribute for people to be dependent on the government and the democratic at least give women the right to decide for themselves if they should or not to carry a pregnancy to term and give a birth to a new being, so they are giving an opportunity for people to become independent, when women carry pregnancies to term and give birth to a new beings without freeing themselves first, most likely they will remain dependent on the government, husbands, family or other people and the children they bring into the world most likely will remain dependent also, so if you really want this to happen you cannot absolutely vote for Mitt with a clear conscious.

Mr. X: No one is talking about making abortion illegal.”

Sylvie: Maybe Mitt does not really want to make abortion illegal, but many people supporting him do and will try to exploit Mitt to push their agenda of working towards making abortion illegal.

Mr. X: I can appreciate the fact that it's a difficult issue for some people.

Sylvie: No, it is not a difficult issue, people make it a difficult issue because they want to dictate in another person’s life, they want to make others slaves, most people objective is not freedom for themselves and others, but to one day own their own slaves, if a person has a difficulty with abortion don’t have one, but don’t force your will and beliefs into others. People need to understand decisions relating to my own body is not up for debate and I am willing to die or go to jail before I let someone else decide the most important decision in a woman’s life, if I should or not carry a pregnancy to term and give birth to a new being. I am fully aware of the responsibly of bringing new beings into this world and how can let someone else make that decision for me, especially politicians!

Mr.: X: It is the law of the land and will likely remain so because it should be a state issue and there are plenty of states that would never make it illegal.

Sylvie: Will likely! So it is a possibility that can become illegal! Yes, abortion still legal in every state, but new laws restricting it are being passed every day. In Arizona, if I was a teenager today and in need of an abortion I would need my parents’ consent, which means with my crazy ignorant family I would have to go underground in order to be in control of my own body. Abortion should be available for any woman at any age that needs or wants one anytime and everywhere. Have you thought of the women that are too poor to travel to a State where abortion is legal and by having a child when she is not really ready can prevent her from ever finding independence and then will not just be one person dependent but two! So if you truly love women you would not take actions that would hinder her opportunity to free herself.

Mr. X: I've said repeatedly that I respect a person's right to choose. I do not, as you say, "try to stop others.

Sylvie: I no longer go by what people say, but by their actions and with your vote (action) you are stopping others. It makes me very sad that you are emotionally blind to see that when comes to the economy it does not matter who is in power, the Democrats spent money in creating programs that don’t work and the Republicans spend the same if not more in other illusions like instigating unnecessary wars, so it does not matter, they all spend money on illusions but what it’s important it’s to have people in power that at least will not create laws to rule in personal decisions of one’s life. I feel you just think of the money Mitt can keep in your pocket. A few dollars he might save you, it will cost you a lot more in the long run. When Bush run for president and people would say how good he was going to be for the economy; I would tell people he might save you some money in the short term, but in the long run he going to cost you a lot more money and I was right he was a disaster for the economy.

Mr. X: and I think it's callous to ignore the fact that there is a defenseless life involved. I would never take away a women's right to choose, but having a baby or giving it to parents who will care for it like their own should be considered, that's all.

Sylvie: So you think carrying a pregnancy to term and giving birth to a new being and then give it away for adoption is a good solution. When I know without a doubt that most people desire to have children comes from their unconscious need to have an available object to use as their poisonous container or scapegoat, no way in hell would I carry a pregnancy to term and give birth to a new being and then give it away for someone to use it as their poisonous container and have this new being spend her entire life in a labyrinth looking for a way out, that’s not living and the birthmother will be wounded for the rest of her life also for carrying a pregnancy to term and giving birth to a new being and then give it away like it’s kitten or a puppy, babies are not kittens or puppies. Any conscious feeling human being knows the consequence of these traumas in people’s lives and for society at large and would never support adoption unless is already a child here that is in need to be adopted, adopting should be to fulfill the needs of a child, not to fulfill the desire of adults of wanting children to unconsciously use as their poisonous container, not ever a conscious woman ever carries a pregnancy to term and give birth to a new being to give it up for adoption.”Poisonous Pedagogy. The pedagogical conviction that one must bring a child into line from the outset has its origin in the need to split off the disquieting parts of the inner self and project them onto an available object. The child’s great plasticity flexibility, defenselessness, and availability made it the ideal object for this projection. The enemy within can, at last, be hunted down on the outside. Peace advocates are becoming increasingly aware of the role played by these mechanisms, but until it is clearly recognized that they can be traced back to methods of child raising, little can be done to oppose them. For children who have grown up being assailed for qualities, the parents hate in themselves can hardly wait to assign these qualities to someone else so they can once again regard themselves as good, “moral,” noble, and altruistic. Such projections can easily become part of any Weltanschauung.” Alice Miller

A life worth giving birth to is a life that is going to be free to really live. This is not callous it’s being truly loving and conscious. Pro-life people are not pro-life they are pro-birth, but after birth they don’t give a fuck about the person anymore and unconsciously enjoy seeing people live in an emotional prison, they live in an emotional prison and unconsciously they want others to have the same fate as them, it’s like they want as more people as possible to be born, so they can kill their souls and have the most people as possible to grow up without souls becoming great robots to continue their evil work on earth, this is the root of all the evil we see in the world and how psychopaths/sociopaths are created. Pro-lifers want people to be born so they can kill their souls, is like they want an endless supply of new beings to exploit and use as their poisonous container or scapegoats, they are soul murders disguised as pro-lifers. Nothing in this world ever is what it seems.

…unwanted children are usually mistreated. But there exist as a rule also a huge amount of people who were "wanted" indeed, but only for playing the role of the victims that their parents needed to be able to take revenge on. They were wanted to give their parents what the parents never had gotten from their own parents: love, adoration, attention and so many other things. Otherwise, why would so many people have five or more children when they have no time for them? Why do they adopt children if their body refuses to give them what they apparently "want? The never acknowledged, never felt pain of their childhood calls for being avenged. They go to church, they pray, they honor their parents, forgive them everything – and they mistreat their children at home, often in a very cruel way, AS IF THIS WERE THE MOST NATURAL THING because they learned this so early. Their children learn this perverted behavior, also very early, and will later do the same; and so this perverse behavior continues for millennia. Unless people are willing to SEE the perversion of their parents and are ready to consciously refuse to imitate it.
You are not being "sickeningly sarcastic," you only dared to speak out the truth that most people are afraid of seeing or talking about.” Alice Miller

“The trauma of knowing one was given away at birth and the travails of trying to find out why”

‘It’s hard to put in words what being adopted does to a person,’ she writes in an email to Open, ‘You’re getting out of your natural system and culture. Then, they put you between people who don’t look like you at all. Everywhere you see White people. At school, I was always the only dark girl. Not to forget that in Holland, most people are tall so I was always the shortest. You see your friends looking like their parents and brothers or sisters. I could not refer to anything. It makes you feel very lonely and sometimes you think you are crazy because you feel so different.’

As a child, India was entirely unfamiliar to her. Later, India was just a unit of information, a place of her birth, and it wasn’t until she was past her teens that she developed a strong urge to contact her biological mother. “When I used to see daughters shopping with their mothers, I would imagine doing the same,” she says on Skype, “The image of my mother was blurry in my mind.” She would think of her mother on her birthdays. “That’s my day. I would wonder if my mother misses me [on my birthday].” Some of Carina’s thoughts were far from pleasant. ‘I have had a lot of psychiatric expenses because of all the problems I suffer of being abandoned (identity crisis, lack of confidence, bonding problems etc),’ she writes.

“Adoption’s inherent abuse of children and families
Adoption itself inflicts psychological harm on adoptees. Adoption means the near-impossibility of either adoptee or adoptive parent being able to take their relationship for granted. Because the parent-child relationship is established by law and not by nature, the relationship cannot be regarded as a simple fact of life as it is in natural families, by either adoptees or adoptive parents.

We often read of adoptive parents being the “psychological parents” of adoptees. Yet what does being a “psychological parent” mean? It means that the relationship is not natural, not clear-cut. It means that in adoptive families, the parent-child relationship may be something that must be continually proved because it cannot be assumed. One way adoptive parents may seek to “prove” that they are “the” parents and are necessary to adoptees is to make themselves essential, which may mean being more controlling than the typical parent. One way adoptees may “prove” they are their adoptive parents’ children is by being more childlike, more immature, more dependent than typical sons and daughters, even when they are chronologically adults. . . .

Some adoptees may be less harmed by the disruption of the natural bond with their birthmothers than others. Some adoptive parents are better at empathizing than are others. Some are able to love and accept the children they adopt for who they really are, while others will never stop trying to mold adoptees into the natural children they could not have. But still adoption itself, I think, harms children. . . . Inside every adoptee lurks an abandoned child and that child hurts. . . .

Yes, I know that some non-adopted children are damaged by abuse, poverty or other ills. I know many single parents have one or more risk factors in their families. Yet most, maybe all, of the problems that face vulnerable natural parents can be eliminated by societal and familial support, while the problems that occur in adoption, particularly when the parents are infertile and the adoption is closed, are inherent in adoption and cannot be prevented or eliminated.”

As someone said in a Facebook page “Adoption Trauma” post:  As an adoptee raised in an extremely loving home, with a reunion that was a disaster, I can honestly say that the lies have to stop. As a civil society, we need to stop this nonsense of human trafficking disguised as adoption. If a mother cannot, absolutely cannot parent "her" child then legal guardianship should be appointed. Again I say, I had a lovely home but this adoption masquerade has to end! Grown adults should be mature enough to stop playing house and just raise the other women’s child but never ever insist on making the child play act in the drama of their life pretending to be their child. They are not their child but someone else's they are caretaking for! This is cruel and inhumane to be any different.”!/adoption.trauma.7/posts/329901923758616?notif_t=feed_comment_reply

I feel the same way as Lynn Beisner: "But for many women, like my mother, abortion would be an inconvenient act of courage and selflessness. I am sad for both of us that she could not find the courage and selflessness. But my attitude is that as long as I am already here, I might as well do all I can to make the world a better place, to ease the suffering of others, and to experience love and life to its fullest."

Mr. X: The scare tactics that the Left uses against women and minorities are utterly disgraceful...Talk about sociopaths!

Sylvie: I think the scare tactics of the far right are a lot more utterly disgraceful, they go to the extreme of killing doctors a breathing living human being under the disguise of want to protect unborn life, like unborn life has more rights than lived life. Talk about hypocrisy and being a psychopath/sociopath.

Mr. X: Anyway, in my personal experience, conservatives have been the most generous, kind, compassionate and understanding people I've ever met. Liberals, in my experience, have generally been the most selfish, pretentious, and all-talk-no-walk kind of people.

Sylvie: If you were free of repression and did not have the repressed emotions of the child you once were blinding you would be able to see most people that be conservative or liberal are just pretending acting as if personality of being loving and caring, giving an illusion of love, they just wear different masks that’s all. Most of my life I had this feeling that people in our society work hard behind the scenes to create traps and very sneakily when you are distracted and without you noticing it, they push you into their traps, and when everyone is looking then they come and rescue you looking like they are the most kind, compassion making themselves appear as heroes, but they are the ones trapping you in the first place and if you don’t wake up to see this scheme for what it is, you will fall victim of it endless.

Mr. X: I don't think we should discuss politics.

Sylvie: We don’t have to discuss politics, but we have to discuss abortion. Politics would not be an issue, it the politicians stayed out of my body.

I know you might be feeling very split right now and this is normal. I know it can be painful and some relationships might end, but if they end is because they were not based on real feelings, but on fear, guilt and anger unconsciously and compulsively projected at outward enemies like for example the tea party joining together unconsciously and compulsively transfer their repressed hate into the Democrats and vise verse. You see how the political parties make each other’s scapegoat or poisonous container and endless remain stuck because repression cannot ever be resolved through scapegoating. And you will come to see that your vote is driven by the dead hand of your own repression, because you are unconsciously taking revenge on vulnerable women that might need help in getting an abortion in order to keep the image of your loving mother intact, but if your mother was able to really love you, you would never be attracted to a political party in the first place to unconsciously trying to fulfill a need of the child you once were, but nothing in the external world can now make up for what you needed as a child, only consciously mourning the loss of love you needed as a child, but never got.

The truth brings freedom. In Alice Miller’s book, “The Truth Will Set You Free; Overcoming Emotional Blindness and Finding Your True Adult Self” says, “The past always catches up with us, in our relationships with other people and especially with our children.” We must face the pain in our lives. The only way out is through it. Nothing in the external world, not a religion, not a political group or any other group, not a job, not a relationship, and not any amount of money can save us from the pain of our past. Until we walk through our pain, we will keep repeating our past in the present moment; and there is no escape.

"Pain is the way to the truth. By denying that you were unloved as a child, you spare yourself some pain, but you are not with your own truth. And throughout your whole life, you'll try to earn love. In therapy, avoiding pain causes blockage. Yet nobody can confront being neglected or hated without feeling guilty. "It is my fault that my mother is cruel," he thinks. "I made my mother furious; what can I do to make her loving?" So he will continue trying to make her love him. The guilt is really protection against the terrible realization that you are fated to have a mother who cannot love. This is much more painful than to think, "Oh, she is a good mother, it's only me who's bad." Because then you can try to do something to get love. But it's not true; you cannot earn love. And feeling guilty for what has been done to you only supports your blindness and your neurosis."

I know it hard to feel this pain, but it can be endure, and if I was able to endure it all alone with just Alice Miller’s books. I know you can too.

People have been trying to control and manipulate others with the reins of the feelings of guilt that were installed by our parents that now substitutes figures only have to do is take hold of those reins. I know I can help you remove the reins install by your parents and be free, if you let me, so will not any longer be reins for people to take hold of to control or manipulate you anymore and of course people that need to be in control of others might leave you and go look for someone else with reins on to take control of and you will have to feel the pain of the loss of these people, but you will be free and make room for real people to enter your life and anyway it’s better to be alone and to know that we are alone than to be with someone and nevertheless to be alone.

Wishing courage and strength to face and feel your painful truths.

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