Sylvie Imelda Shene If Oprah notices them, it means they wrote books with old recycled half-truths and seductive lies and illusions. Oprah loves to promote half-truths that allures people in and seductive lies and illusions that make people feel good temporally and superficially. Oprah is a cult leader that promotes other cult leaders. She is a big illusion! http://sylvieshene.blogspot.com/2012/12/oprah-is-more-concerned-about-her-image.html
L. K.: Sylvie, while I agree with you about Oprah, you can't discount all of the books she has promoted. This is a lovely memoir written honestly with great courage.
Oprah is exploitive, self-absorbed, disingenuous, and over-rated. Some of the work she does makes the world a better place. I was horrified with Obama gave her a national award.
Sylvie Imelda Shene L, I am glad you can see Oprah is exploitive, congratulations! She was exploited as a child and now she has reenacted her childhood drama on the stage of the world by exploiting the whole world under the disguise of help. I don’t doubt this is a lovely memoir and written with courage, but the author must have fallen into the same illusions or traps that Oprah has fallen into that promise healing and salvation, but actually perpetuates our blindness, reinforces our repression and the fears of resolving it, if the author had become close to shattering Oprah’s illusions, she would not be promoting their book. Some of Oprah’s work all it does is a bandage, a temporary and superficially fix that blinds the public and reinforces the public’s repression that the future generation will have to pay the price for it. “I constantly witness many people going public with their sad, tragic stories in an effort to manipulate people into feeling sorry for them and feeding their adult compulsions and perversions. They don’t want the truth. They only wish to avoid their own pain. These people are exploiting the wounded children they once were, just like their parents or parent-substitutes exploited them when they were defenseless little children. They keep themselves and others endlessly stuck in their childhood dramas, where they play either the role of the victim or the perpetrator.” From my book A Dance to Freedom page, 174
Remember the book A Million Little Pieces by James Frey that was selling the same illusions Oprah also sales, but his story was not even based on real events and facts. Oprah only promotes authors selling the same old recycled illusions. When that book came out I was going through the channels and saw him on Oprah, I listen to him for a little bit and I could tell he was full of BS. If Oprah really had resolved her own repression, she too would have been able to see that he was full of BS. Oprah is passing to the world her psychological virus and the abuse she received in her childhood, but she is passing it in a converted way and under the disguise of help. All Oprah has done in her life was to reverse the roles, now she is the all-powerful, just like her abusers were to her, she could not have confronted her abusers when she was little and now no one will be able to confront her either, because she has too much power. What is very sad is that her and people like her make a lots of money deceiving themselves and the whole world. It makes me sick to my stomach.
L.K.: I think Oprah's ego has much more to do with her faults than childhood abuse. The support of problematic influencers is required in most fields. Oprah is not someone mentioned on C's Facebook page. She was at a film festival. You are making too much of one photo.
Sylvie Imelda Shene The book was chosen by Oprah Winfrey for Oprah's Book club.
If the author had become close to shattering Oprah's and society's illusions, her book would never have been in Oprah’s book club, period. Oprah wants to keep her illusions and repression intact and for that, she needs to keep the public blind and will never promote a book that will truly enlighten the public.
L.K.: I don't think it's that complicated. Sometimes people act with little insight. She's more cluelessly and selfishly exploitive not excluding good things for people.
G.B.: It's so much simpler than that L. Oprah is a businesswoman who sells what people buy.
L. K.: That's true, but she puts peoples needs after her own ambition. She did an interview with a famous author who chose to marry a gay man that was so hurtful, the author whose name I can't remember talking about it on an NPR program. She infamously insisted on doing an interview with Jacee Duggard despite JD's objections. Sylvie, W had helped a lot of people and is a great work. Oprah might read the New York Times. It still stands alone. Isn't it possible that Oprah got it right? Not all of her books were poorly chosen.
Truthfully, I'm not crazy about some of Toni Morrison's work and she will always be revered. Traditionally thinking did not allow Toni to base her analysis on reason.
Sylvie Imelda Shene G., Oprah is a cult leader that promotes other cult leaders, period. Oprah like all cult leaders learned early on that the public loves very well-articulated half-baked concepts and very seductive lies and illusions that ring like truth, and they have exploited the public’s weakness to maximize their profits to feed their own addictions, especially the addiction to money and power. If their followers had not been deceived and exploited by their own parents or parents’ substitutes when they were defenseless little children, they would never fall for cult leaders symbolizing their parents deceiving them in the same way. People that are born from love and raised in truth will recognize the lies in our society. Everything we become and happens to us is connected to childhood. And this is a fact. Cult leaders have mastered the art of manipulation, so they can keep their own repressions intact and manage their own fears. I would love to be at Oprah’s deathbed because old age and death are the best triggers to awaken childhood repression and fears, and no matter how much money and power a person has will no longer work to keep their own repression intact, it will come up to the surface like a volcano. “Since the beginning of human history, priests, teachers, gurus, psychics, doctors, philosophers, and psychologists have all duped people into thinking they could provide real assistance, when it was never possible because the healers were also victims of their own childhoods.” From my book A Dance to Freedom: Your Guide to Liberation from Lies and Illusion, page 131. I am sure Oprah will never have my book in her book club because it exposes hers and her followers' very well-articulated seductive lies and shutters all their illusions and that’s the last thing in this world they want.
This blog is about learning to understand all of our feelings and learning to consciously face, feel and experience all of our feelings within the context of our own childhood. Everything we become and happens to us is connected to childhood. Not every victim becomes an abuser, but every abuser was once a victim of abuse, these are facts, Violence is not genetic, it’s learned. https://sylvieshene.blogspot.com/2014/08/a-dance-to-freedom-book-reviews.html
Sunday, August 31, 2014
Love between Adults Needs to be Earned
Hi M,
Thank you for writing and sharing your thoughts and feelings. Don’t worry about your English. Your English is 100 times better than mine. I have a lot of difficulty in expressing myself in writing. Writing is one of the hardest things for me to do in life. And I apologize for my poor English. I paid a lot of money to professional writers/editors to help me write my book! Thanks for being so understanding.
About unconditional love. Only children need and must have unconditional love and protection no matter what, it’s their birthright and the parents’ obligation to love and protect them. But adults can never be loved unconditionally. You would not love a rapist or dictator. The love between adults needs to be earned.
The most important thing I can tell you is to trust your feelings about your father and not fall into any illusions he will change. From my experience with people on the internet, most people are stuck in the repressed hatred of the child they once were and unconsciously and compulsively looking for scapegoats or poison containers to temporally alleviate their repressed hatred, a lot of people out there are time bombs, that you never know what might trigger them. If you remind them in any way of their childhood abusers, maybe you just walk, smell, talk, or breathe like them, just that might be enough to set them off. Most people out there are not able to put and feel their intense feelings within the context of their own childhood and will take it out on the triggers that remind them of their own childhood abusers.
It’s understandable the child within you still wants to hold on to the illusion of her father changing and finally giving you the love you needed as a child, but even if he did change and apologized for the damage done to you when you were a defenseless little girl, could never make up for it, just like your boyfriend could not make up for it, even if he stayed home on your birthday and didn’t go to work if he had stayed it would just have helped you to keep these emotions repressed and numbed one more day and by him going to work, it triggered the intense repressed emotions of the child you once were, and by understanding what took place, it enlightened you and not be as emotionally blind, so you can recognize red flags and not get into intimate relationships with people that they will reenact yours or you reenact their own childhood drama.
No one else in the external world can now make up for what we needed as children, but ourselves. People who were never loved as children will go through life longing for love and this longing will not weaken with age, but instead increase making them more desperate trying to satisfy this need with people symbolizing their parents, especially with their children. The only thing that will free us is to let go of all illusions and feel the pain that we were never loved. As long we are dependent and longing for our parents' love or from people symbolizing them, we will remain stuck in the emotional prison of our childhood reenacting our childhood drama, where we either play the role of mother/father figure over others or we play the role of the child. If you read Alice Miller’s book The Body Never Lies you will know that dependency increases hatred. This is a vicious cycle most parents and children remain stuck forever because parents try to get their childhood needs fulfilled through their children, things their children can never do, and their children remain stuck waiting for their parents or people symbolizing them to fulfill their childhood needs. Once we are adults no one out there can make up for what we needed as children, but never got.
The reason it gets harder to connect to people as we get older is because of people’s lifetime of repressing themselves and with old age being the perfect trigger of childhood fears they become desperate, and like a drowning person they try to hold on to someone, anyone to use as a form of medication to manage those fears and is not really a gender issue. I know women who have just as hard a time connecting with their authentic feelings as men. Maybe some men and some women act out their childhood repression in different ways --they wear different disguises -- and maybe more men have a tendency to wear similar disguises, but the pain and suffering they cause themselves and others is the same. As you say women sabotage other women more and the reason they do, that's because of their own unresolved childhood repression. From my experience, I have found that maybe more women are better at falsifying their feelings giving the impression that are more caring and loving, but they just give the illusion of love and they manipulate the people in their lives, especially their own children with their illusion of love, so they can keep their own repression intact and don’t have to face and feel their own fears, but instead delegate it into their children and others under the disguise of help and the illusion of love. A lot of women and some men have mastered the art of manipulation to perfection.
I agree with you that we are all humans but we are animals as well! And I love my animal side because animals are the best! :-) They are real, they don't wear any masks!!!
I don’t think we need to have our childhood abusers to acknowledge and ask for our forgiveness for us to be free, that is giving them our power, if that were the case I would not be free today, because my older sisters will never be able to really see how damaging they were to their younger sisters and they will never ask for forgiveness, but facing the reality that they will never change and let go of their illusion of love and the false hope they sometimes give us to suck us in. Letting go of all illusions that’s what liberates us.
Good luck and again thank you for writing,
Sylvie
Monday, August 25, 2014
Talking About Psychopaths and School Grades
Hi E,
X just called me! But I didn’t take the call and he did not leave a message. I am not calling him back, because I know he is looking for a fight, so he can project his anger at me and have me express his disowned anger and then accuse me of being angry, and then shame me for being angry so he can also transfer his repressed shame into me. He thinks I am stupid, but I am not playing his game, I refuse to go there with him, I tried in 2008 and if he has not learned anything since then, he is not going to and I am moving on. All these years I kept a distance because I felt something was not right about him and never felt completely safe with him and now I got the proof that my gut feeling has been right all along!
Isn’t interesting that the best way to find out who your real friends are is when you are down or when you are about to create something great. X’s intense repressed jealousy being triggered is a sign that we are about to achieve greatness! And if he had the courage to face and feel his own repression he could be part of it, but instead, he letting his unresolved repressed emotions sabotage it, in order to keep his idealized mother and childhood intact, he rather be a sociopath and try to destroy me. His jealousy being triggered like this is the best compliment on the great job you did! Because if it was bad he wouldn’t be this worried that my book might make it and to try to destroy me. He is showing all the signs of a sociopath/psychopath. Sociopaths/psychopaths will go to any lengths to achieve what they want, if they have children they will even exploit and use their own children to achieve their means.
“While the average person spends a good portion of the day thinking about those she loves (children, husband, parents, friends), a sociopath doesn't have these emotional ties with anyone. Instead, she will spend all that time plotting to take you down and destroy you either literally or figuratively. Even removing yourself from the sphere of the sociopath's influence may only work for a while. You must remain consistent. Do not let the sociopath fool you a second time with his or her charm. Do not believe the person has changed. Most therapists agree that sociopaths cannot be treated effectively. Instead, take steps to protect yourself and your family. Consider drastic solutions like moving, changing jobs, and making new friends. Remember that it is all a game to the sociopath. She or he does not care if you're hurt. The only goal they have is winning. The only way you can beat a sociopath is to get away from a sociopath. Accept the harsh reality. Sociopaths do not change. Perhaps you've come to the conclusion that you are dealing with a sociopath. You've read the key symptoms and they describe this person perfectly. You've read the True Lovefraud stories, and you recognize the behaviors. So what do you do now? Accept the reality that a sociopath will never change.”
http://sylvieshene.blogspot. com/2012/08/real-life- villains-and-spotting.html
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Psychopaths Masters at Deceiving
She preaches homeschooling as the answer to protect children and I am sure home school might be the best course for some children, if their parents are healthy and balances the child's life with social activities with other children, but when parents are unhealthy a child going to school might be the only break from parents’ insanity and the chance to explore other ways of being.
I have seen the worst cases of child abuse by parents that home school their children.
Anyway, I have seen all the red flags that this woman is very sick, I never tried to confront her directly, but my posts must have made her feel uncomfortable and she unfriended me like a year or so ago.
She adopted a child, he is now a teenager and I can see all the signs she having an incestuous relationship with her son hiding behind the umbrella of “attachment parenting” if it is not physical, is without a doubt emotional, and you can see this young man is confused beyond measure.
Women that can’t have children usually are against abortion, it is like they want other women to have the children they can’t for them to unconsciously use and exploit to satisfy their own unconscious needs.
I have many friends on Facebook that promote homeschooling and they think homeschooling would be the solution to protect children and to creating a better society and I don’t agree with it, to me, they are just a bit cultish.
The most important years of a child’s life is the first three years and if the child came into this world in love and in truth then this foundation of love and truth will guide and carry him/her throughout life and that is why I very rarely click like on their posts because every child needs are different and if children enjoy going to school and likes the external push to keep him/her get motivated, like in your case, then they should not be robbed of it.
In my case, I think I would have profit from homeschooling and given the freedom to learn at my own pace, as long I was allowed to play with other kids outside, which with my sisters I was not allowed to play outside with other kids unless I sneaked out!
Grades can be useful when used to evaluate where a child is in his/her learning process and where will need more help and assistance, but should never be used as a source of value because the value of a child should never be measure by a grade.
And sadly in our society grades are mostly used by parents and teachers to give value to a child and this is why I think grades can be more harmful than helpful.
Children are all equally valued no matter how well they do in school and how they choose to contribute to society, as a plumber, doctor, writer, mechanic, electrician or nurse, etc. all contributions are equally important!
Sadly in most cases, grades are used to value the child and make him/her feel superior to others and this is contributing, feeding, and enabling psychopathy in our society.
I's good grades were used to prove that she had more value than her younger sister and I would say to her younger sister literally -- that she was a zero on the left and didn’t count -- and now I has psychopath traits and her daughter D that just finished law school that I"s older sister E paid for it, also has psychopath traits and if she ever gets into a position of power over others, is going to screw a lot of people like her mother has and like most politicians do, and how funny D loves politics! And belonging to the party on far-right, like the tea party here, she considers her-self conservative!
What lie! I am more conservative than she will ever be! They are psychopaths that think are better and deserve more than others because they had good grades and did well in school.
Education alone without self-knowledge is very dangerous and is nothing but a big illusion and sad our learning institutions teach everything, but self-knowledge, sometimes I think the learning intuitions make sure they keep people busy and distracted learning empty useless knowledge, so young people don’t have time to explore who they really are and get the most important knowledge of all, self-knowledge because if people acquired self-knowledge the power of people in power positions would crumble like a house of cards.
I feel the learning institutions give people a diploma/ticket to go out into the world spreading their psychological virus and deceive, manipulate and screw as many people as they possibly can.
These words by Alice Miller could not be truer: "...because he is, like every psychopath, not at all interested in understanding himself, only in controlling, misleading and manipulating others. Obviously, he was also successful in deceiving his lawyer when they talked who now believes, as an inexperienced layperson, that Fritzl belongs into a psychiatric clinic but not into jail. It would be very naĂ¯ve and calamitous to follow this idea because it would mean to deliver Fritzl a giant stage where he could masterfully deceive the staff and fellow patients and thus harm them."
AM: Thank you so much for your important letter. The short report of the Independent explains FULLY the behavior of Joseph Fritzl. In an eerily precise way, he has staged what happened to him as a child: His mother was his SOLE RULER because his father was not there for balance. She has beaten him daily, she owned him completely so that he did not have a helping witness where he could have noticed how badly off he was, the more so as she obviously provided conscientiously for his food. He was forced into total obedience and had to bear daily the constant violations through his mother, had to be grateful, too, for the provision of clothes and food, could maybe fulfill small wishes in secret, and was proud of his slyness and inventive zest for lying and disguise. His life happened hidden in secret like it does now in the power of the police force. In the same manner, he has organized his daughter’s situation in order to hold up the denial of the suffering of his childhood. His lawyer talks about his “good sides,” just as Fritzl would probably talk about the “good sides” of his mother that enslaved him as completely as he now has demonstrated it to the whole world. Fritzl has shown the world what can happen later to a child who was TOTALLY deprived of his freedom by his single mother “educating” him with fists by herself, a child who has no witness, who has to be grateful to his, who may never contradict her and who for years impounds secretly wishes of revenge until he can satisfy them years later in a series of rapes of women without ever getting enough. Because revenge does not grant satisfaction and demands, again and again, new restagings. Even vacations in Thailand were necessary for this purpose. If one would ask Fritzl now, what his childhood was like, he would probably praise his mother and her care and not yet have realized that he grew up in a prison where his muscles, to be sure, were obviously well-nourished, but where his brain was confused and poisoned through the contempt of his dignity. I can hardly imagine that this single, power-hungry and brutal mother did NOT use her small son for her sexual wishes and thus only increased the confusion (what is love and what is meanness?) in his brain. In this way, perversions develop, which pose riddles for us if we don’t have the courage to take seriously the childhood histories.
The deduction of the crimes from the denied childhood-situation is in no way meant to alleviate Joseph Fritzl’s guilt and to invoke pity. As an adult, he is fully responsible for all his crimes and deserves the greatest punishments for committing them. His masterful skillfulness in deceiving and manipulating the police and other authorities as well as his extreme sadism show that he proceeded methodically. So he exhibits strong psychopathic traits. There are hardly any signs for a positive prognosis through effective psychotherapy by acknowledging the truth about his childhood because he is, like every psychopath, not at all interested in understanding himself, only in controlling, misleading, and manipulating others. Obviously, he was also successful in deceiving his lawyer when they talked who now believes, as an inexperienced layperson, that Fritzl belongs into a psychiatric clinic but not into jail. It would be very naĂ¯ve and calamitous to follow this idea because it would mean to deliver Fritzl a giant stage where he could masterfully deceive the staff and fellow patients and thus harm them. Read more here
I agree with the words you wrote to a degree. I think I have expressed a little bit how I feel about homeschooling once in an email talking about the author L. A C. I bought her book when I just met her on Facebook a few years ago, but I did not finish reading it and I threw it in the garbage. AM: Thank you so much for your important letter. The short report of the Independent explains FULLY the behavior of Joseph Fritzl. In an eerily precise way, he has staged what happened to him as a child: His mother was his SOLE RULER because his father was not there for balance. She has beaten him daily, she owned him completely so that he did not have a helping witness where he could have noticed how badly off he was, the more so as she obviously provided conscientiously for his food. He was forced into total obedience and had to bear daily the constant violations through his mother, had to be grateful, too, for the provision of clothes and food, could maybe fulfill small wishes in secret, and was proud of his slyness and inventive zest for lying and disguise. His life happened hidden in secret like it does now in the power of the police force. In the same manner, he has organized his daughter’s situation in order to hold up the denial of the suffering of his childhood. His lawyer talks about his “good sides,” just as Fritzl would probably talk about the “good sides” of his mother that enslaved him as completely as he now has demonstrated it to the whole world. Fritzl has shown the world what can happen later to a child who was TOTALLY deprived of his freedom by his single mother “educating” him with fists by herself, a child who has no witness, who has to be grateful to his, who may never contradict her and who for years impounds secretly wishes of revenge until he can satisfy them years later in a series of rapes of women without ever getting enough. Because revenge does not grant satisfaction and demands, again and again, new restagings. Even vacations in Thailand were necessary for this purpose. If one would ask Fritzl now, what his childhood was like, he would probably praise his mother and her care and not yet have realized that he grew up in a prison where his muscles, to be sure, were obviously well-nourished, but where his brain was confused and poisoned through the contempt of his dignity. I can hardly imagine that this single, power-hungry and brutal mother did NOT use her small son for her sexual wishes and thus only increased the confusion (what is love and what is meanness?) in his brain. In this way, perversions develop, which pose riddles for us if we don’t have the courage to take seriously the childhood histories.
The deduction of the crimes from the denied childhood-situation is in no way meant to alleviate Joseph Fritzl’s guilt and to invoke pity. As an adult, he is fully responsible for all his crimes and deserves the greatest punishments for committing them. His masterful skillfulness in deceiving and manipulating the police and other authorities as well as his extreme sadism show that he proceeded methodically. So he exhibits strong psychopathic traits. There are hardly any signs for a positive prognosis through effective psychotherapy by acknowledging the truth about his childhood because he is, like every psychopath, not at all interested in understanding himself, only in controlling, misleading, and manipulating others. Obviously, he was also successful in deceiving his lawyer when they talked who now believes, as an inexperienced layperson, that Fritzl belongs into a psychiatric clinic but not into jail. It would be very naĂ¯ve and calamitous to follow this idea because it would mean to deliver Fritzl a giant stage where he could masterfully deceive the staff and fellow patients and thus harm them. Read more here
She preaches homeschooling as the answer to protect children and I am sure home school might be the best course for some children, if their parents are healthy and balances the child's life with social activities with other children, but when parents are unhealthy a child going to school might be the only break from parents’ insanity and the chance to explore other ways of being.
I have seen the worst cases of child abuse by parents that home school their children.
Anyway, I have seen all the red flags that this woman is very sick, I never tried to confront her directly, but my posts must have made her feel uncomfortable and she unfriended me like a year or so ago.
She adopted a child, he is now a teenager and I can see all the signs she having an incestuous relationship with her son hiding behind the umbrella of “attachment parenting” if it is not physical, is without a doubt emotional, and you can see this young man is confused beyond measure.
Women that can’t have children usually are against abortion, it is like they want other women to have the children they can’t for them to unconsciously use and exploit to satisfy their own unconscious needs.
I have many friends on Facebook that promote homeschooling and they think homeschooling would be the solution to protect children and to creating a better society and I don’t agree with it, to me, they are just a bit cultish.
The most important years of a child’s life is the first three years and if the child came into this world in love and in truth then this foundation of love and truth will guide and carry him/her throughout life and that is why I very rarely click like on their posts because every child needs are different and if children enjoy going to school and likes the external push to keep him/her get motivated, like in your case, then they should not be robbed of it.
In my case, I think I would have profit from homeschooling and given the freedom to learn at my own pace, as long I was allowed to play with other kids outside, which with my sisters I was not allowed to play outside with other kids unless I sneaked out!
Grades can be useful when used to evaluate where a child is in his/her learning process and where will need more help and assistance, but should never be used as a source of value because the value of a child should never be measure by a grade.
And sadly in our society grades are mostly used by parents and teachers to give value to a child and this is why I think grades can be more harmful than helpful.
Children are all equally valued no matter how well they do in school and how they choose to contribute to society, as a plumber, doctor, writer, mechanic, electrician or nurse, etc. all contributions are equally important!
Sadly in most cases, grades are used to value the child and make him/her feel superior to others and this is contributing, feeding, and enabling psychopathy in our society.
I's good grades were used to prove that she had more value than her younger sister and I would say to her younger sister literally -- that she was a zero on the left and didn’t count -- and now I has psychopath traits and her daughter D that just finished law school that I"s older sister E paid for it, also has psychopath traits and if she ever gets into a position of power over others, is going to screw a lot of people like her mother has and like most politicians do, and how funny D loves politics! And belonging to the party on far-right, like the tea party here, she considers her-self conservative!
What lie! I am more conservative than she will ever be! They are psychopaths that think are better and deserve more than others because they had good grades and did well in school.
Education alone without self-knowledge is very dangerous and is nothing but a big illusion and sad our learning institutions teach everything, but self-knowledge, sometimes I think the learning intuitions make sure they keep people busy and distracted learning empty useless knowledge, so young people don’t have time to explore who they really are and get the most important knowledge of all, self-knowledge because if people acquired self-knowledge the power of people in power positions would crumble like a house of cards.
I feel the learning institutions give people a diploma/ticket to go out into the world spreading their psychological virus and deceive, manipulate and screw as many people as they possibly can.
Friday, August 22, 2014
Comments to Robin Williams’ Suicide Post – Humor Entices you to be Blind
Robin Williams' current Wikipedia page seems to have most or all of the "unhappy childhood" stuff that was there before edited out, whatever reason."
According to Alice Miller, a person’s repression will keep escalating until it’s finally heard. “The truth about childhood is stored up in our body, and although we can repress it, we can never alter it,” she writes in Thou Shalt Not Be Aware. “Our intellect can be deceived, our feelings manipulated, our perceptions confused, and our body tricked with medication. But someday the body will present its bill.”. Page 107, I write in my book A Dance to Freedom: “Even those who realize that real change is more difficult still take the easy way out and focus their energy on getting rid of symptoms, instead of searching out the root cause. “There are plenty of means to combat symptoms of distress: medications, sermons, numerous ‘treatments,’ ‘miracles,’ threats, cults, pedagogical indoctrination and even blackmail,” Alice Miller says. “They can all work for a while, but only because they reinforce the repression and reinforce the fear of resolving it. … A lot of money and fame comes from this business of repression because it satisfies the longing of so many grown-up children: to be loved as a good child. … In the long term, we have to pay a high price for this repression.” The typical methods people use to search for answers — which are really ways to run away from the truth — are futile because our real, repressed story continues to attempt to make itself heard no matter what we do. Alice Miller believed that our true plight, the root cause of all our repeated problems, will keep trying to gain our attention in more extreme ways until we finally take notice.”
Robin Williams Suicide
Robin Williams suicide was very sad, but not because of the suicide itself, but how he did it without conscious preparation. His suicide was an act of being in extreme despair. Current events in his life triggered the repressed despair of the child he once was and because he did not understand what was happening, it drove him into an act of desperation, the way he committed suicide, he showed the world the terror and despair he lived with as a child that he used humor all of his life to keep repressed, but whatever people use as a form of medication to repress eventually stops working and in the long run makes it worse. It's very sad that in his last hours on this earth he was in such despair and dies in the emotional prison of his childhood. No amount of money and fame could have saved him.
I could not agree more with J’s observations below. Also these words by Alice Miller came to mind; at the end laughter did not help Robin Williams survive:
According to Alice Miller, a person’s repression will keep escalating until it’s finally heard. “The truth about childhood is stored up in our body, and although we can repress it, we can never alter it,” she writes in Thou Shalt Not Be Aware. “Our intellect can be deceived, our feelings manipulated, our perceptions confused, and our body tricked with medication. But someday the body will present its bill.”. Page 107, I write in my book A Dance to Freedom: “Even those who realize that real change is more difficult still take the easy way out and focus their energy on getting rid of symptoms, instead of searching out the root cause. “There are plenty of means to combat symptoms of distress: medications, sermons, numerous ‘treatments,’ ‘miracles,’ threats, cults, pedagogical indoctrination and even blackmail,” Alice Miller says. “They can all work for a while, but only because they reinforce the repression and reinforce the fear of resolving it. … A lot of money and fame comes from this business of repression because it satisfies the longing of so many grown-up children: to be loved as a good child. … In the long term, we have to pay a high price for this repression.” The typical methods people use to search for answers — which are really ways to run away from the truth — are futile because our real, repressed story continues to attempt to make itself heard no matter what we do. Alice Miller believed that our true plight, the root cause of all our repeated problems, will keep trying to gain our attention in more extreme ways until we finally take notice.”
Robin Williams Suicide
Robin Williams suicide was very sad, but not because of the suicide itself, but how he did it without conscious preparation. His suicide was an act of being in extreme despair. Current events in his life triggered the repressed despair of the child he once was and because he did not understand what was happening, it drove him into an act of desperation, the way he committed suicide, he showed the world the terror and despair he lived with as a child that he used humor all of his life to keep repressed, but whatever people use as a form of medication to repress eventually stops working and in the long run makes it worse. It's very sad that in his last hours on this earth he was in such despair and dies in the emotional prison of his childhood. No amount of money and fame could have saved him.
I could not agree more with J’s observations below. Also these words by Alice Miller came to mind; at the end laughter did not help Robin Williams survive:
“But
how are we to stand up for children in our society and improve their situation
if we laugh at and tolerate cruelty, arrogance, and dangerous stupidity? …Humor
saved Frank McCourt’s life and enabled him to write his book. His readers are
grateful to him for it. Many of them have shared the same fate and they want
nothing more dearly than be able to laugh it off. Laughter is good for you, so
they say, and it certainly helps you survive. But laughter can also entice you
to be blind. You may be able to laugh at the fact that someone has forbidden
you to eat of the tree of knowledge, but that laughter will not really wake you
up from your sleep. You must learn to understand the difference between good
and evil if you want to understand yourself and change anything in the world as
it is. Laughter is good for you, but only when there is reason to laugh.
Laughing away one’s own suffering is a form of fending off pain, a response
that can prevent us from seeing and tapping the sources of understanding around
us. “Alice Miller, taken from the book “The Truth Will Set you free” pages,
101.102,103
“…the
necessity of repressing pain in childhood leads not only to the denial of one’s
personal history but also to a denial of the suffering of children in general,
and thus to major deficits in our cognitive capacity. This desensitization
finds expression in the use of corporal punishment in educational settings and
in the practice of circumcision (for both sexes). I am deeply convinced that
the absence of good relationship with the mother or some mother substitute,
coupled with physical abuse, including the kind of corporal punishment meted
out in the name of good parenting, is among the sources that give rise to this
lack of sensitivity and barriers in the mind.” Alice Miller, taken from the
book “The truth Will Set you free” page, 117
“We
cannot really love if we are forbidden to know our truth, the truth about our
parents and caregivers as well as about ourselves. We can only try to behave as
if we were loving, but this hypocritical behavior is the opposite of love. It
is confusing and deceptive, and it produces much helpless rage in the deceived
person. This rage must be repressed in the presence of the pretended “love,”
especially if one is dependent, as a child is, on the person who is
masquerading in this illusion of love.” Alice Miller (The Drama of the Gifted
Child: The search for the True Self) Page 23
“If
the repression stays unresolved, the parents’ childhood tragedy is
unconsciously continued on in their children” Alice Miller (The Drama of the
Gifted Child: The search for the True Self) Page 23
“I
thought about Robbin Williams death so much...I loved the "Death Poets
Club". It was THE film of my youth, the first film I saw in a cinema
ever...
I
feel so sorry for him, that he was in so much despair and I actually longed for
a comment from you on this topic...Thank you for writing!
What
I found "strange", and wonder how you see this, was the reaction of
his wife: “This morning, I lost my
husband and my best friend, while the world lost one of its most beloved
artists and beautiful human beings. I am utterly heartbroken. (...). As he is
remembered, it is our hope the focus will not be on Robin’s death, but on the
countless moments of joy and laughter he gave to millions.”
Read more here
Read more here
She
is talking about herself and the loss...of course... But who talks about HIS
pain, he must have suffered before, and about what HE has lost? And then she
withdraws from the tragedy and uses "the trick", he had always used as
well by being the funny guy: kind of positive thinking: Not looking at his
death is not looking at the reasons of his death... (The Roots of Violence are not Unknown...AM) ...A lot of reactions on his death sound like this: We are
sorry, but we want to stick on the positive, what he gave to us... Isn't this
kind of a selfish attitude???
I observed another "typical" reaction, in which people point out, that Robbin Williams has lost his struggle against depression, alcoholism and Parkinson's disease...Well, he has lost this fight, but depression, addictions, and other diseases don’t come over us as weather- events... They come out of a reason, they have a history. Why are we all so blind??? Why haven't we found ways to really help people like Robbin Williams? We have to work together to unveil our stories and understand the reasons. It is about really dealing with the cause for such tragedies. This is the war we have lost. Robbin Williams hadn't any witness for his pain at all around him...So sad... It is not enough to stand up and say "Capitan, my Capitan" and wish him a save travel and eternal laughter...How probably could one lough with such an end??? We have to start to ask for reasons honestly...Otherwise, we can't change the world and there will be never peace on this planet...” J
I observed another "typical" reaction, in which people point out, that Robbin Williams has lost his struggle against depression, alcoholism and Parkinson's disease...Well, he has lost this fight, but depression, addictions, and other diseases don’t come over us as weather- events... They come out of a reason, they have a history. Why are we all so blind??? Why haven't we found ways to really help people like Robbin Williams? We have to work together to unveil our stories and understand the reasons. It is about really dealing with the cause for such tragedies. This is the war we have lost. Robbin Williams hadn't any witness for his pain at all around him...So sad... It is not enough to stand up and say "Capitan, my Capitan" and wish him a save travel and eternal laughter...How probably could one lough with such an end??? We have to start to ask for reasons honestly...Otherwise, we can't change the world and there will be never peace on this planet...” J
"As I have repeatedly stressed, it is not the trauma itself that is the source of illness but the unconscious, repressed, hopeless despair over not being allowed to give expression to what one has suffered and the fact that one is not allowed to show and is unable to experience feelings of rage, anger, humiliation, despair, helplessness, and sadness. This causes many people to commit suicide because life no longer seems worth living if they are totally unable to live out all these strong feelings that are part of their true self. Naturally, we cannot require parents to face something they are unable to face, but we can keep confronting them with the knowledge that it was not suffering per se that made their child ill but its repression, which was essential for the sake of the parents. I have found that this knowledge often provides parents with an "aha!" experience that opens up for them the possibility of mourning, thus helping to reduce their guilt feelings."
-- Alice Miller
Above excerpt from Sylvia Plath: An Example of Forbidden Suffering
from the book For Your Own Good: Hidden Cruelty in Child-Rearing
and the Roots of Violence by Alice Miller
Monica
Chelagat: Would be interesting to know
more about his childhood. Thanks for your reflections.
Steve
Thomas: Williams' current Wikipedia page seems to have most or all of the
"unhappy childhood" stuff that was there last week edited out,
whatever reason. As an adult he certainly used 12-step programs, may have been
taking brain meds, and if so he likely had been getting "professional
help". I've dropped Williams now, haven't explored more than this. But I'd
like to see more Jonathan Pincus-style research done into not just cases like
this but into the backgrounds of anyone involved in violent crapola.
Pincus' book (not pleasant reading, if you try it be warned it could ruin a few days for you. And btw I think Pincus' conclusions still bow a little too much to the old standard, conventional explanations):
Pincus' book (not pleasant reading, if you try it be warned it could ruin a few days for you. And btw I think Pincus' conclusions still bow a little too much to the old standard, conventional explanations):
Base Instincts: What Makes Killers Kill?
Sylvie
Imelda Shene: Steve, I think about you every day! I still need to answer your
e-mail! I don’t need details of Robin Williams' childhood. The way he committed
suicide shows me the terror and despair he must had to live with as a small
child. People unconsciously and compulsively sooner or later show you the
reality of their childhood in one form or another. And no medication, 12 steps,
religion/cults, politics or whatever illusion people come up with to repress
and avoid feeling the painful truths of their lives will be able to save them,
all illusions eventually burst.
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