I had an abortion and I
did not cause me emotional or physical harm, having a baby I could not take care
of, financially and emotionally, that would have caused me emotional problems,
these people use strong language and made up pictures and stories to project
their disowned guilt feelings into others; people that are pro-choice make
perfect scapegoats for them. They are very unconscious and ignorant. Very,
very, very sad.
J, you don’t get the
point I am only fighting for the freedom for the right to choose. Freedom
most of you pro-lifers want to take away. You chose whatever you like I don’t
have control over that and I would not want the responsibility of making
someone’s choice. Only ignorant unconscious people want to make decisions for
others.
Pro-lifers are just
doing to others what was done to them in their childhood – unconsciously tell
their true story of their childhood by compulsively repeating, recreating or
reenacting it over and over again with substitute people -- the compulsion to
repeat is too great -- this is why I don’t get in direct discussion with these
people because I don’t give them a chance with the help of their ideology to
make me their substitute person to dump on. They were born in a painful vicious
circle and take refuge in ideologies because facing the painful truth that
their parents/caregivers exploited, abused and forced their beliefs on them is
too painful for them to face, so they look for safe scapegoats to take revenge
for what their parents did to them. Women that choose to abort and not carry a
pregnancy to term makes perfect safe scapegoats for them – also doctors that
perform abortions make perfect scapegoats – the person that killed Dr. Tiller
who he really wanted to kill was his parents, but if he had killed his parents
he would not have found any support from anyone in society, because we live in
a society that protests parents no matter what they do to their children. So he
unconsciously transferred his justified hate for his parents to Dr. Tiller,
because with the help of ideology he could find a lot of support from all the
pro-lifers. “Since every ideology provides a scapegoat outside the confines of
its own splendid group, the weak and scorned child who is part of the total
self but has been split off and never acknowledge can now be openly scorned and
assailed in this scapegoat. The reference in Himmler's speech to the
"bacillus" of weakness which is to be exterminated and cauterized
demonstrates very clearly the role assigned to the Jews by someone suffering
from grandiosity who attempts to split off the unwelcome elements of his own
psyche..." Alice Miller
B.M. wrote: “And,
speaking of psychology I'm damned good at it. If I could see you I probably
could nail much more about you. Your avatar is a good indication for starters
with the eyes missing… I'm positive above all else there has been some kind of
tragedy that has brought you to this point at your tender age…” You so right
B.M. – it’s nice to see there are other people out there that are not emotionally
blind. My sister got involved with a very disturbed man and they had a little
girl in the eighties, the same age of this young girl here. I tried to protect
my niece from the U.S. by reporting her parents to the child protective
services, but because most people working at the child protective agencies are
emotionally blind and they were not able to see through the pretense of my
sister and her partner (both were very charismatic and with colleges degrees)
and they believed their very well-articulated lies over me. I was so far way
that I was not able to give this little girl the help she needed. Now at 24
years old I tried to explain to her of the facts and why she is so angry and
how she is directing her anger at the wrong people. Guess what just like this
young girl here she in denial and directing her anger at pro-choice people
proclaim that she is pro-life. Also she is a very good artist and guess what
she painted a young girl that kind of looks like her, you guessed it the young
girl in the picture has the eyes close. Just like this young girl here, her
avatar picture has no eyes: It says I rather be emotionally blind, protect my
parents and direct my anger from my childhood at scapegoats than see the truth
that I had parents that exploited me and did not really love me and I can’t
handle the pain of the real truth, so unconsciously and compulsively they will
keep looking for safe scapegoats to direct their anger; very sad.
Sandra, M C in his post,
articulates very well who the liars are. I will print here his words again: “The hatred and violence espoused by the ilk
of Victor Magilke and others (O'Reilly, the far-right radicals, the rabid
pro-lifers, etc.) do nothing but stir up more violence and hatred. These
persons have no legitimate right to declare themselves as being intelligent or
believable. Theirs is the culture of lying, deceit, and domestic terrorism.
Shame, shame on those who would have us believe their despicable
self-righteousness!”
T, thank you for your support; it’s nice to see there are other people able to see through the masks people use to deceive themselves and others of who they really are. I am glad to see they don’t fool you. Congratulations on not being emotionally blind! Child abuse causes people to be emotionally blind, the fact that a lot of people here are so emotionally blind it just says their childhood abuse was extreme and their denials will not change this reality. People that never face their reality will endless need scapegoats to take revenge for what their caretakers/parents did to them when they were little. Dr. Tiller and pro-choice people make perfect scapegoats for them. Their fight for the unborn children is just a symbolic fight. These people suffer from Stockholm syndrome; read the article “Love and Stockholm syndrome:the Mystery of Loving an abuser”
In their last posts illustrate very well the vicious circle they live in and they are raising the haters of tomorrow. Read the article how “Evil is born anew with every new generation” in the link below:
C: “You are one SICK woman!!! You need psychiatric help BIG time!! I KNOW what my life was and IS and I THANK GOD..that it's not like yours!!”
Denial, denial, denial,
your words are a projection of yourself into me. I am a grown-up person with
experience, knowledge and understands these psychological mechanisms and what
we understand cannot hurt us, but I feel sorry for the children in your life
because children don’t have the experience and knowledge to understand these
projections and when people unconsciously project their sick self into innocent
children --- this is child abusive --- I hope you find the courage to face your
sick self and stop your illusion of love so you will stop being an abuser for
the children in your life. What does not contain
real love must contain an illusion. Real Love is eternal present. Only
illusions come and go. We get deeply hurt when we mistake an illusion for real
love. What do you contain an illusion or real love?
S, your words to me
are a projection of yourself and you are the one that needs to listen to your words
and the same goes to C. Each person has to decide for themselves if they should
have children or not, but I would prefer to see people that have become
conscious and self-aware have children. Being a parent is a privilege, not a
right. Unfortunately, most people are not born with this privilege. Sadly, the
majority of people do not have the self-awareness to see it; and because of
parental ignorance, blindness, and denial, they bring new life to a life of
endless suffering. Of course, if a person becomes conscious, self-aware and does
his/her emotional work can gain the privilege to become a parent.
What is really sick is people fighting for the unborn life/children that are not suffering and not doing anything for the children that are already here and can't protect itself and is being used by unconscious people and suffering all alone.
What is really sick is people fighting for the unborn life/children that are not suffering and not doing anything for the children that are already here and can't protect itself and is being used by unconscious people and suffering all alone.
We will never be able to stop child abuse as
long as we say: “when we needed a
good smack we got it!!!!!” this is an idealization of the parents and I am sure
the person that said these words, now smacks her own children without thinking
twice. This is How Emotional Blindness
is Created. Read the flyers in the links below: Because almost ALL of us were beaten, and we had
to learn very early that these cruel acts were normal, harmless, and even good
for us. Nobody ever told us that they were crimes against humanity. The wrong,
immoral, and absurd lesson was wired into our developing brains, and this
explains the emotional blindness governing our world.
The Roots of Violence are NOT Unknown
Also, read the interview by Noreen Taylor It is Never Okay to Spank, Beat or Hit a Child
The website women on waves have great information for
women that want to have control over their bodies.
P,
Thank you for your
letter. It’s nice to hear from people that are not emotionally blind and has
the courage to face the facts and are able to see the lies that some people try
to pass as the truth. I think you would like to read the book that just came out
last week by Alice Miller “Free from Lies: Discovering Your True Needs” I
recommend reading all her books, no one on this planet exposes the lies in our society like her. Congratulations on having the courage to see and best wishes,
Sylvie
Thank you T, I know
some people here claim to have the truth, but they are very far away from it
and when someone puts the facts in front of them, they can get very mean, but
they are really, unconsciously telling their true story how they were treated
by their parents. Children that are preached to, they learn to preach, children
that are spanked, they learned to use violence to get their way. I am sure when
they were little and they tried to comfort their parents with their truth, their
parents call them IDIOT and stupid too. They lacked the courage to stand alone with
their truth and unconsciously along the way they started to idealize the
parents and became like them. And now when anyone confronts them with the
facts, they call others stupid just like their parents call them.
C, you are not in
reality look around, the professionals and other people trying to help are
emotionally blind, not aware that they are carrying a psychological virus and
unconsciously in a covert way, under the disguise of help are harming those
they are trying to help all over again. They are not enough enlightening people
in our society to assist all the people in need and I am not going to bring a
child to this crazy world for all these unconscious people to contaminate; read
the article: “THE ESSENTIAL ROLE OF AN ENLIGHTENED WITNESS IN SOCIETY” Treating
symptoms do not work in the long run, it just temporally and superficially
solves problems, and the only way we solve any problem is by facing the root
problem that child-rearing practices around the world are abusive.
E’s words articulate
very well fundamental truths. I too grew up with fanatics which made my youth a
living hell. I will print here again her words. “I'll defend others' rights to
believe as long as they don't try to shove it down my throat. The difference
between you and the holier-than-thou'ers is that you don't use your beliefs as
a cudgel. THEY somehow think they have the right to dictate to everyone else
just what we can or should believe, do, say or live according to. You have
graciously explained you feel pretty much as I do: that we each should live
according to our own beliefs; exactly how it should be. Courtesy and acceptance
of our differences. That IS what a free society is about. The other approach
went out with the Puritans and their witch hunting. These modern-day witch
hunters are doing their best to bring back the days of NO religious freedom.
They'd have us all back under the religious yoke if they could, without
thinking through the consequences. They think the religious murder of a doctor
is innocuous enough because it ties in with their own beliefs. It's sickening
how pervasive this type of closed-mindedness has affected our society. The
fanatics never recognize it in themselves. My mother was one of them, which is
why they will never shout me down. I've personally seen lives destroyed by such
single-minded fanaticism. Kudos to you Sylvie and the other open-minded here.”
G, thank you for giving
me the freedom to do with my body what I feel is best for me and I respect your
choice to do what you think is best for yourself. I only ask the pro-lifers to
stop forcing their beliefs into others. When we force our beliefs into others
we are nothing but dictators. The following words by Alice Miller shine light
why dictators are the way they are. Most pro-lifers were abused and now they
idealize their abusers and when people idealize their abusers they become just
like them and this is their sad truth that they do not have the courage to
face. “…Dictators and the Dynamics of Cruelty Every dictator torments
his people in the same way he was tormented as a child. The humiliations
inflicted on these dictators in adult life had nothing like the same influence
on their actions as the emotional experiences they went through in their early
years. Those years are "formative" in the truest sense: in this
period the brain records or "encodes" emotions without (usually)
being able to recall them at will. As almost every dictator denies his
sufferings (his former total helplessness in the face of brutality) there is no
way that he can truly come to terms with them. Instead, he will have a limitless
craving for scapegoats on whom he can avenge himself for the fears and
anxieties of childhood without having to re-experience those fears.”
-“I go live the life that my mother gave me
thanks, mom."
Yes! You are using
your life to transport the ignorance your parents transferred to you like a
robot – I call that wasted life. Yes killing Dr. Tiller was a choice, an
unconscious choice, he chose to direct his anger, hate towards someone that
never hurt him, because he was a coward to direct his anger towards the people
that really hurt him, probably his parents. We live in a world full of cowards.
"Find something else to say. Make
yourself seem somewhat intelligent. Murder is never the answer.”
Abortion is not murder that is your belief
and does not make it real just because you believe it. Killing Dr. Tiller; a
living breading human being that was murder.
I listen to the young lady that said: “I left my dead baby in a
toilet at Gorge Tiller’s”
This young lady’s
emotional problems are not caused by her abortion, but by her upbringing and
now in order to protect her parents, the abortion gets the blame for her
emotional problems and sadly she fell into the trap of the religious
extremists, that use strong language and lies to shock people, and is going to
keep her in the dark and exploit her; very sad.
Some of the pro-lifers
(I am not mentioning names anymore they know who there are) accuse me of pushing
my views on others and show fear that I might influence someone in having an
abortion. Yes if someone gets to the conclusion that having an abortion is the
best thing for them I like to help them be at peace with their decision, in the
other hand the pro-lifers want to make them feel guilt. Religion and morality
cement blindness and cement, as we know, is very difficult to soften. So I
don’t expect the religious fanatics to be able to see and understand what I
talk about. I am really speaking to the opened mind. So for now on, I am going
to ignore the comments of the religious fanatics.
What makes my blood
boil is when I hear the hypocrites say that they want to be a voice for the
voiceless, the fetus, the fetus is not suffering, there are millions of children
around the world being abused and suffering, that later put themselves in
danger and the whole society; why not be a voice for the children already here
that are being abused under the disguise of discipline, suffering and really
need someone to speak up for them. I bet these same people believe in corporal
punishment to make children obedient, raising robots like them.
As Alice Miller says in her flyer “The Roots of Violence are NOT Unknown” “As
beaten children are not allowed to defend themselves, they must suppress their
anger and rage against their parents who have humiliated them killed their
inborn empathy, and insulted their dignity. They will take out this rage later,
as adults, on scapegoats, mostly on their own children. Deprived of empathy,
some of them will direct their anger against themselves (in eating disorders,
drug addiction, depression, etc.), or against other adults (in wars, terrorism,
delinquency etc.)”
The Roots of Violence are NOT Unknown
The Roots of Violence are NOT Unknown
Life does not start in
my womb and does not end in my womb. I have the potential to create a new
being, but it’s my choice if I want to do that or not. Life started a long time
ago and it will end a long time from now, probably sooner than we like if we
kept creating new beings, beings that if we don’t take care of emotionally and
physically, later will take revenge on society for being born and will be a
destroyer of all life. Also, these people don’t want health care reform because
they don’t want government involvement in our lives, but they want the
government in my womb. Stay out of my womb, what happens in my womb is my
business and no one else’s.
I am sorry, but the
pro-spanking people go around and around in their heads like chickens with the
heads cut off and only because they are incapable to face and feel their
personal painful truths, they idealize their parents, live in fantasy, and
imitate their parents without question it, they keep going around in the heads
to avoid facing their sad reality. The purpose of their posts is just to
make noise and drown the facts and reality, but I will just keep reposting the
facts and reality.
The pro-lifers see a
fertilized egg (zygotes) as a person, whatever, but that is not reality. The
reality is a fertilized egg is nothing but a fertilized egg (Zygotes). You would not call a caterpillar a butterfly, but just like a
fertilized egg (zygotes) has the potential to become a person, a caterpillar
has also the potential to become a butterfly, but they are not until they do
and most no matter what we do they will never become a person or a butterfly.
To the people that don’t
agree or don’t like what I write, please don’t write to me directly, just move
on, because I will not engage in dialogue with people that are not mind like. I
have learned a long time ago that I cannot make people see the facts if they
refuse to open their eyes to see. I don’t share your beliefs and I will never
adopt anyone’s believes no matter what they say to me or what names they call
me. I don’t have beliefs period. I live in reality and look at the facts. Our
world is in this terrible situation because of the crazy beliefs people believe
in. When you know instead of believing you will find the courage to be true to
yourself. Believes are passed down to us so they should be received with doubt,
to know comes from within. I look within to find the answers to my life not to
religion or anyone else, so stop preaching to me.
“Every dictator torments
his people in the same way he was tormented as a child.” Alice
These pro-lifers were
tormented by their parents and now they are here tormenting pro-choice people
just because we see and think different from them. Fighting for children that
don’t exist it’s really a joke. If you want to do something really meaningful, do
all you can to help the children already here and do all you can to raise
awareness about all forms of child abuse. The only way we stop the madness in
this world is by stopping all form of child abuse. Stay out of other women’s
uteruses goes be a dictator somewhere else.
I will change this
phrase “Stay out of my uterus, go be a dictator somewhere else.” Pro-lifers
fight so hard for the unborn beings because unconsciously they want an endless
supply of innocent powerless beings to use, exploit and project their disowned
parts. Sorry, you cannot have my unborn children for you to use. Stay out of
women’s uteruses and go be a dictator somewhere else. If you're so concerned about the sanctity of
life, you better be a vegetarian, anti-war and anti-death penalty too or else
you’re little more than meddling, self-righteous hypocrite. Life did not
begin my uterus and will not end in my uterus, it begin millions of years ago
and will keep going until planet earth can sustain it.
"Unwanted children are usually mistreated.
But there exist as a rule also a huge amount of people who were
"wanted" indeed, but only for playing the role of the victims that
their parents needed to be able to take revenge on. They were wanted to give
their parents what the parents never had gotten from their own parents: love,
adoration, attention and so many other things. Otherwise, why would so many
people have five or more children when they have no time for them? Why do they
adopt children if their body refuses to give them what they apparently
"want?"
The never acknowledged, never felt pain of their childhood calls for being avenged. They go to church, they pray, they honor their parents, forgive them everything – and they mistreat their children at home, often in a very cruel way, AS IF THIS WERE THE MOST NATURAL THING, because they learned this so early. Their children learn this perverted behavior, also very early, and will later do the same; and so this perverse behavior continues for millennia. Unless people are willing to SEE the perversion of their parents and are ready to consciously refuse to imitate it.
Very few people dared to speak out the truth that most people are afraid of seeing or talking about.”
The never acknowledged, never felt pain of their childhood calls for being avenged. They go to church, they pray, they honor their parents, forgive them everything – and they mistreat their children at home, often in a very cruel way, AS IF THIS WERE THE MOST NATURAL THING, because they learned this so early. Their children learn this perverted behavior, also very early, and will later do the same; and so this perverse behavior continues for millennia. Unless people are willing to SEE the perversion of their parents and are ready to consciously refuse to imitate it.
Very few people dared to speak out the truth that most people are afraid of seeing or talking about.”
This is why I would never
bring a child into the world and give it up for adoption for others to use for
their projections. Sorry, you cannot have my unborn children for you to use.
Stay out of women uteruses go be a dictator somewhere else.
Unwanted children?
It’s sad to share the world with these self-righteous, authoritarian and cruel people full of poisonous pedagogy. I am glad I never brought children into this sad world. All the people that scream against health care are the same people that fight against birth control and abortion. They want more people to be born, so they can use, abuse and exploit later on. How clueless can they be, don’t they know if we bring new life into this world and we don’t take care of their needs, this new life when grows up, they will take revenge on society for being born and will put all life in this planet in danger. As Alice Miller’s says: “when see the passion with which Catholic priests - men childless by choice - fight against abortion, I can’t help asking what it is that motivates them. Is it a desire to prove that unlived life, as perhaps their own destinies suggest, is more important and more valuable than lived life? Was that, perhaps, how the parents of those passionately committed to stopping abortion thought, though they expressed it in different ways? Or is it a case of seeing to it that others share the same fate as oneself? Both are possible. Both are dangerous when people are driven to blind and destructive actions by the dead hand of their own repression.”
Unwanted children?
It’s sad to share the world with these self-righteous, authoritarian and cruel people full of poisonous pedagogy. I am glad I never brought children into this sad world. All the people that scream against health care are the same people that fight against birth control and abortion. They want more people to be born, so they can use, abuse and exploit later on. How clueless can they be, don’t they know if we bring new life into this world and we don’t take care of their needs, this new life when grows up, they will take revenge on society for being born and will put all life in this planet in danger. As Alice Miller’s says: “when see the passion with which Catholic priests - men childless by choice - fight against abortion, I can’t help asking what it is that motivates them. Is it a desire to prove that unlived life, as perhaps their own destinies suggest, is more important and more valuable than lived life? Was that, perhaps, how the parents of those passionately committed to stopping abortion thought, though they expressed it in different ways? Or is it a case of seeing to it that others share the same fate as oneself? Both are possible. Both are dangerous when people are driven to blind and destructive actions by the dead hand of their own repression.”
Pro-lifers are not in
reality, they try to help people without recognizing they are emotionally
blind, not aware they are carrying a psychological virus and unconsciously in a
covert way, under the disguise of help, are harming those they are trying to
help all over again. They are not enough enlightening people in our society to
assist all the people in need and I am not going to bring a child to this crazy
world for all these unconscious people to contaminate; read the article: “THE
ESSENTIAL ROLE OF AN ENLIGHTENED WITNESS IN SOCIETY” Treating symptoms does not
work, in the long run, it just temporally and superficially solves problems, and
the only way we solve any problem is by facing the root problem that child
rearing practices around the world are abusive.
"Eleanor, you are
doing what everyone else does when they cannot bully others into thinking as
they do: You try to denigrate them, thus making yourself seems all the better
for having done that. It really is a cowardly act. Smearing someone’s name only
makes you look foolish and juvenile. Give it up and walk away with whatever
dignity you have remaining. Just thinking about what you and others of your ilk
stand for makes my skin crawl and fear for the safety of our Democracy. "
Thank you B. M., B and G
for your support it’s very much appreciated. To me pro-lifers are a joke, they
pretend to care for the unborn children, but they don’t care one bit about the
living, actually, it’s obvious how much they want to make the living suffer.
It’s not possible to have a debate with them they see the unborn with more
rights than the living --actually, they want to enslave the living to their
will. Their parents forced their will on them and now they want to force their
will on us. How sad. It’s easier to do to others what was done to them than to
become conscious of what really happened to them in their childhood and feel
their own pain. This young girl unconsciously is telling the world how split
off she is with her profile picture with two faces in it. And we know how
dangerous split off people are. The best thing to do is to ignore her and not
to react to her words and just keep reposting the facts and reality.
Pro-lifers are showing their true face. My job
is done; I have exposed them for what they really are: they are dangerous, mean
and they can get really nasty when someone puts the facts and reality in their
faces. Their posts just proves there are a bunch of cowards and yes I am glad I
did not bring a child into this world where the majority of people are cowards,
liars, unconscious and cruel.
Again pro-lifers twist my words around I never
said it’s ok to kill your parents you can feel your anger directed at the right
people without killing them or anyone else. Feelings don’t kill, actions do.
You accuse me of what you pro-lifers are doing. Look in the mirror. “Hatred is only a feeling, albeit a very strong
and assertive one. Like any other feeling, it is a sign of our vitality. So if
we try to suppress it, there will be a price to pay. Hatred tries to tell us
something about the injuries we have been subjected to, and also about
ourselves, our values, our specific sensitivity. We must learn to pay heed to
it and understand the message it conveys. If we can do that, we no longer need
to fear hatred. If we hate hypocrisy, insincerity, and mendacity, then we grant
ourselves the right to fight them wherever we can or to withdraw from people
who only trust in lies. But if we pretend that we are impervious to these
things, then we are betraying ourselves”
What is Hatred?
Once again I don’t respond to people living in the dark that
refuse to face reality and look at facts and use ideology as crunches, if you
don’t like my posts go over them, I do the same thing with your posts. I can’t
control you and you can’t control me. I will repeat myself again: I have
learned a long time ago that I cannot make people see the facts if they refuse
to open their eyes. I don’t share your beliefs and I will never adopt anyone’s
believes no matter what they say to me or what names they call me. I don’t have
believes period. I live in reality and look at the facts. Our world is in this
terrible situation because of the crazy believes people have. When you know
instead of believing you will find the courage to be true to yourself. Believes
are passed down to us so they should be received with doubt, to know comes from
within. I look within to find the answers to my life not to religion or anyone
else. Get it you that keep mention my name? I will keep posting and repeating
myself for as long I find it necessary, I will not have my voice silenced by you
or anyone else.
I agree with B’s words I will print them
again:
“Why are so many that are against abortion,
for war? Some might argue that their beliefs are to save people at birth so
when they're 18 we can send them off (to likely die in) war. Also, do you really
believe that Baby Pete from England who was horribly abused and died at age 2
wouldn't have been better to have been aborted as a tiny egg?”
B the reason these people fight for the unborn
children, so more unwanted children are born for later on be abused and killed
in wars, etc., is because unconsciously or secretly enjoy seeing people suffer.
I recommend reading Dr. Alice Miller’s books if you like to understand more
about these psychological mechanisms.
"Opposed to
abortion! Don’t have one! But don't dictate on my own body or someone else's
body"
Ironically, many people who support hitting children say something very similar. Something like If you don't want to hit children don't. But don't tell me how to raise mine.
If I stand for some life but not others then I am being a hypocrite/ phony.
And the simple info about fetuses having a heartbeat at 3 weeks and the like is the truth. That is basic science.
Judgmental insults are not part of the mission here. M The difference between an abortion and abusing children is very different. Abusing children affects the whole society because the abused children will later take revenge on society for being born and will be a destroyer of life and put others in danger. Abortion has no effect on society and because of that it’s no body’s business, but between the woman and her consciousness, but abusing children is everyone business because it affects all of us. Most Parents have children because of their unconscious need to pass on to others the humiliation one has undergone oneself and the need to find an outlet for repressed effect. “The pedagogical conviction that one must bring a child into line from the outset has its origin in the need to split off the disquieting parts of the inner self and project them onto an available object. The child's great plasticity, flexibility, defenselessness, and availability make it the ideal object for this projection. The enemy within, can at last, be hunted down on the outside. Peace advocates are becoming increasingly aware of the role played by these mechanisms, but until it is clearly recognized that they can be traced back to methods of child raising, little can be done to oppose them. For children who have grown up being assailed for qualities, the parents hate in themselves can hardly wait to assign these qualities to someone else so they can once again regard themselves as good, "moral," noble, and altruistic. Such projections can easily become part of an Weltanschauung.” For Your Own Good: Hidden cruelty in child-rearing and the roots of violence by Alice Miller, page 91
Ironically, many people who support hitting children say something very similar. Something like If you don't want to hit children don't. But don't tell me how to raise mine.
If I stand for some life but not others then I am being a hypocrite/ phony.
And the simple info about fetuses having a heartbeat at 3 weeks and the like is the truth. That is basic science.
Judgmental insults are not part of the mission here. M The difference between an abortion and abusing children is very different. Abusing children affects the whole society because the abused children will later take revenge on society for being born and will be a destroyer of life and put others in danger. Abortion has no effect on society and because of that it’s no body’s business, but between the woman and her consciousness, but abusing children is everyone business because it affects all of us. Most Parents have children because of their unconscious need to pass on to others the humiliation one has undergone oneself and the need to find an outlet for repressed effect. “The pedagogical conviction that one must bring a child into line from the outset has its origin in the need to split off the disquieting parts of the inner self and project them onto an available object. The child's great plasticity, flexibility, defenselessness, and availability make it the ideal object for this projection. The enemy within, can at last, be hunted down on the outside. Peace advocates are becoming increasingly aware of the role played by these mechanisms, but until it is clearly recognized that they can be traced back to methods of child raising, little can be done to oppose them. For children who have grown up being assailed for qualities, the parents hate in themselves can hardly wait to assign these qualities to someone else so they can once again regard themselves as good, "moral," noble, and altruistic. Such projections can easily become part of an Weltanschauung.” For Your Own Good: Hidden cruelty in child-rearing and the roots of violence by Alice Miller, page 91
The pro-lifers see a fertilized egg (Zygotes) as a person,
whatever, but that is not reality. The reality is a fertilized egg is nothing
but a fertilized egg (Zygotes). It has the potential to become a human being, but it not until
it does and the reality is most fertilized eggs miscarry without even the woman
ever noticing it. Pro-lifers fight so hard for the unborn beings because
unconsciously they want an endless supply of innocent powerless being
Pro-lifers say having an abortion is murder and
mutilates our soul, I see it the other way around: carrying a pregnancy to term
and giving birth to a new being that we are not able to take care of and
protect, THAT, would be mutilating my soul and would be soul-murdering, and
would have robbed me the chance at freedom and I talk from experience,
knowledge is experienced, everything else is just information and experience has
taught me that most information out there is misleading information and lies. I
know without a doubt if I had carried a pregnancy to term when I was not ready,
my soul would have been mutilated and would have been soul murder by bringing a
new being into an abusive vicious circle and my soul would not have become
whole and free like it is today, and I was able to liberate a soul instead of
contributing two more mutilated lost and confused souls into this world and
continue the painful vicious circle. Some people see a fertilized egg (Zygotes)
as a person, but that is not reality. The reality is a fertilized egg is
nothing but a fertilized egg (Zygotes). Pro-lifers fight so hard for the
unborn beings because unconsciously they want an endless supply of innocent
powerless beings to use, exploit and project their disowned parts. Carrying a
pregnancy to term and giving birth to new being we are not ready to nurture,
take care of and protect, THAT is soul murdering and contributes to the
destruction of the world,
I hate being dependent on anyone for anything
and I fxck hated the fact that I could not get my birth control pills over the
counter and I had to be dependent on a doctor all my life to get them. Let us
have our pills whenever and anywhere we want them.
I would not ever, ever carry a pregnancy to
term and give birth to a new life that I am not sure I would be able to take
care of and protect, especially if I had been raped. I would rather die,
and for sure I would not give it up for adoption when I know, for sure, that
most people desire to have children come from their unconscious need to have an
available objects to take out, avenge for the wrongs done to them by their own
parents. Most pro-lifers suffer and want to make sure others suffer too,
secretly or unconsciously they enjoy seeing others suffer, it’s like they want
to make sure they have an endless supply of new victims or scapegoats.
Lies, misleading information, and violence against
children are the destroyers of all life, not abortion.
“A person's right to live does not and should
not interfere with another person's bodily autonomy. And no, a woman's right to
her body DOES NOT end once she is pregnant. To even assume so is like saying
"your right to your organs end once a dying person needs them". NO
ONE and NOTHING has the right to use the body of another without their consent
or against their wishes. IF a man can't rape me if a leukemia patient can't
take my marrow or my blood, and if someone in need of a liver can't take mine,
then why should a fetus have the right to remain in my uterus if that's not
what I want? You CANNOT give a fetus a right that NO OTHER HUMAN has.”
I had to have an illegal abortion while living in Portugal in
1979. Every woman should have access to legal abortion. It still makes me mad
that I had to put my life in danger by going underground to have an abortion.
Why can people understand that I am the owner of own body and only me can make
the decisions affecting it and no one else can dictate in my own body
M said: Well, I need to say that I am very
opposed to abortion. The baby has a heartbeat within 3 weeks and all of their
parts soon thereafter. A premature baby can survive at less than 6 months. So, therefore, the other babies are just as real. Studies have shown that they move
away from the sucking instrument.......
There's a long waiting list for loving would be adoptive parents.
Also, it is a stereotypical misconception to think that anti-abortionists are conservative.
Sylvie said: Opposed to abortion! Don’t have one! But don’t dictate on my own body or someone else’s body. I would not ever, ever carry a pregnancy to term and give birth to a new life that I am not sure I would be able to take care of and protect, I would rather die, and for sure I would not give it up for adoption when I know, for sure, that most people desire to have children come from their unconscious need to have an available object to take out, avenge for the wrongs done to them by their own parents. People that idealize their childhood and parents they will keep having a limitless craving for scapegoats on whom they can avenge themselves for the fears and anxieties of childhood without having to re-experience those fears. This is why most pro-spanking people are also pro-lifers and fight so hard for unborn children, they suffer and want to make sure others suffer too, unconsciously or secretly they enjoy seeing others suffer, it’s like they want to make sure they have an endless supply of new victims, scapegoats to use, exploit and use as their scapegoat or poison container. And yes an abortion should be done as soon as possible, right away, but please don’t tell lies and misleading information. I can recognize a phony from a distance!
Also, it is a stereotypical misconception to think that anti-abortionists are conservative.
Sylvie said: Opposed to abortion! Don’t have one! But don’t dictate on my own body or someone else’s body. I would not ever, ever carry a pregnancy to term and give birth to a new life that I am not sure I would be able to take care of and protect, I would rather die, and for sure I would not give it up for adoption when I know, for sure, that most people desire to have children come from their unconscious need to have an available object to take out, avenge for the wrongs done to them by their own parents. People that idealize their childhood and parents they will keep having a limitless craving for scapegoats on whom they can avenge themselves for the fears and anxieties of childhood without having to re-experience those fears. This is why most pro-spanking people are also pro-lifers and fight so hard for unborn children, they suffer and want to make sure others suffer too, unconsciously or secretly they enjoy seeing others suffer, it’s like they want to make sure they have an endless supply of new victims, scapegoats to use, exploit and use as their scapegoat or poison container. And yes an abortion should be done as soon as possible, right away, but please don’t tell lies and misleading information. I can recognize a phony from a distance!
When Rachel opened her
mouth saying that Mother Teresa said that will be no world peace in the world
until abortion ends, I changed the channel because I refuse to listen to lies,
Mother Teresa and Rachel are wrong, the truth is: there will be no world peace
until we end all forms of child abuse. The
truth is that most pro-lifers are also pro-spanking and conservative and your
denials will never change that. About science! Science also says that violence
is in the person’s genes, which is a lie; science also protects parents like
most people in society. Violence is created by child-rearing practices. You
keep your illusions, beliefs to yourself and let others make their own
decisions. We live in a world where most people are pretenders, pretending that
care and love, which gives the illusion of love and this is why most people
live in a state of confusion because the illusion of love is very confusing!
Like I said before I recognize a phony, pretender from a distance.
"No child is ever born violent. Violence is NOT genetic, it
exists because beaten children use, in their adult lives, the lesson that their
brains have learned. “Alice Miller
Abortion rights protect life
I wish all the pro-lifers
read the article “PROTECTING LIFE AFTER BIRTH” by Alice Miller in the link
below and digest the information in it for them to see that nothing is what it
seems and people that proclaim to be pro-life are really against life and
people that are pro-choice are really pro-life. Read the article in the link
below to see the facts that people that proclaim to be pro-life are really
ignorant that put all life in danger. Forcing a woman to carry a pregnancy to
term is a crime against her, her unborn child and a crime against humanity.
If the pro-lifers
can’t see that child abuse is more the norm than the exception, then they must
be emotionally blind because if you have your eyes open you will be able to see
it everywhere. Read in the link below to see how emotional blindness is
created:
Forcing a woman to carry
a pregnancy to term is a crime against her, her unborn child and a crime
against humanity.
Pro-spanking people are
closed minded, very sad and a shame. They suffer and secretly enjoy seeing
others suffer too, otherwise, why would they fight so hard for the parents right
to spank their innocent children, when children misbehave is never the child's
fault, but the parents' fault and if someone needs a spanking would be the
parents. Children are like sponges or antennas that absorb all of what their
parents repressed. What parents repress, children express, so if you don't like
what you see in your children go inside of yourself and take responsibility for
all that is repressed in yourself and your children will change without you
having to do much. And what is sooo sad for me it's that most of these
pro-spanking, hypocrites, cowards hide behind "God" to do their evil
work.
Children make perfect mirrors, triggers, to rise to the surface, our unconsciousness, all of the traits in ourselves that we have disowned, repressed and denied. No one can trigger in us what’s not already in ourselves. Most parents blame and punish their children for triggering and mirroring those traits back to them. This is the biggest injustice I have whiteness in this world. When this happens parents lose the opportunity of becoming responsible parents and the opportunity for healing to start. This is very sad and tragic. Parents don’t realize that in most cases their desire to have children comes from their unconscious needs and compulsion to recreate their own childhood situation but now to be in control of it.
Children make perfect mirrors, triggers, to rise to the surface, our unconsciousness, all of the traits in ourselves that we have disowned, repressed and denied. No one can trigger in us what’s not already in ourselves. Most parents blame and punish their children for triggering and mirroring those traits back to them. This is the biggest injustice I have whiteness in this world. When this happens parents lose the opportunity of becoming responsible parents and the opportunity for healing to start. This is very sad and tragic. Parents don’t realize that in most cases their desire to have children comes from their unconscious needs and compulsion to recreate their own childhood situation but now to be in control of it.
-“I go live the life that my mother gave me
thanks, mom."
Yes! You are using
your life to transport the ignorance your parents transferred into you – I call
that a wasted life. Yes killing Dr. Tiller was a choice, an unconscious choice,
he chose to direct his anger, hate towards someone that never hurt him,
because he was a coward to direct his anger towards the people that really hurt
him, probably his parents. We live in a world full of cowards.
"Find something else to say. Make
yourself seem somewhat intelligent. Murder is never the answer.”
Abortion is not murder that is your belief
and does not make it real just because you believe it. Killing Dr. Tiller; a
living breading human being that was murder.
“People don't have children to abuse them. People
have children because they want them. I’m sorry if you were abused, but not all
of us were. There are a lot of happy households. I don't abuse my children, I
love them”
Denial, denial, denial-- if you were not
abused you would not be judging others choices and forcing your beliefs and
views on others.
I don’t want to make
anyone decisions only the sick, unconscious and dysfunctional will want to make
others decisions. The pro-lifers want to make others decisions, so this alone
makes them sick and unconscious, pro-lifers parents forced their beliefs on
them and now they are unconsciously like robots doing the same to us. They
are unconsciously telling their sad stories by repeating it here with us and
this is the reality no matter how much they denied it and run around in their
heads. Each person has to decide what is best for them – period – if someone
makes the wrong decision is for them to learn from it and I have no business to
interfere in their personal decisions - Period- Stay out of my uterus. Go be a
dictator somewhere else.
For the person that said
I should be fixed, nature has taken care of that, I just turned 50 and I don’t
think I will be getting pregnant, plus I am not in a relationship and I am not
planning to be, so there is not a chance for me to get pregnant, but if there
was a chance I could get pregnant I would like to have the freedom to decide
what is best for me and not have authoritarians self-righteous people make my
choice. Life does not start in my womb. Life started millions of years ago and
abortion does not stop life. Life will always continue until, we, the humans
destroy the mother earth.
“Silvie, I suppose the
theory of pro-life believers reenacting their own childhood would also apply to
those who had a pleasant, supportive childhood?”
If you had a
supportive childhood you would not be forcing your believes on others. People
that have supportive childhoods don’t force their beliefs, ideologies on
others. You did not have a choice because of your adopted ideology and allowed
others to make your choices and now you want the same fate for others. The
objective of most people is not freedom for themselves and others; the
objective of most people is to one day having their own slaves. The easiest way
to get your own slaves is to give birth to them.
I never said all --- I
said most people --- everywhere I go I see most people especially pro-lifers
abusing their children --- what society call childrearing practices --- this so
called childrearing practices are abusive and this is why our society is sooo
dysfunctional and violent if you do not see this fundamental truth you are in
denial. I like very much the
words Thich Nhat Hanh says in his book Peace Is Every Step: “Do not
force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views,
whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education. However,
through compassionate dialogue, help others renounce fanaticism and
narrowness.”
Pro-lifers idealize
their childhood, mother and father and the more abused there are the more
attached to their parents become, staying close to them, some never leave their
parents home and the more they become like them --- very sad --- You see people
tell their true story by unconsciously, compulsively repeating, recreating,
reenacting it over and over again, their childhood situation through all their
lives, unless they find the courage to see their parents as they are and not
the way they like them to be. The way the pro-lifers are speaking in their
posts are just the same words their mother/father use on them when they were
little and now just like parrots they use those same words on us. I don’t
force anything on anyone. Do you see any of the pro-choice people go around
shooting people because they don’t see as we do? Pro-lifers are the ones using
extreme violence to force their views, beliefs on others. You think abortion is
murder/crime, fine, I think forcing a woman to carry a pregnancy to term is a
crime against her, her unborn child and crimes against humanity.
S, just to inform you I
have broken free from the vicious circle I was born in. Reading your posts I
see you in denial and living with illusions, you still are affected by your
up-bring, if you had broken free from your vicious circle you would no longer
be condescending and forcing your views into others and respect others
decisions.
C, each woman decides
what the answer is for themselves, not you. And for your information, I have
found freedom, happiness, and joy in my life. You are the one probably have not
found it yet, otherwise, you would not be telling others what is right or wrong
and making decisions for others. Free happy people let people decide what’s
right or wrong for themselves and sure do not make decisions for others.
You will know a lot
about human motivation once you realize one thing: ninety-nine percent of
humanity spends ninety-nine percent of their time trying to avoid painfully
personal truths. Teresa just because you are in the majority, it does not mean
anything, it just means you are with the blind because that’s where the
majority in this world is.
Thank you for your
message and support. The ignorant, hypocrite pro-lifers are loud and obnoxious
and we need to be courageous and as loud and put the facts in their faces and
maybe they will be the ones going into hiding. I no longer will be quite with
the knowledge I have.
S: I used to be pro-life when I was in high school and in the first
few years of college. Now that I'm a bit older and more mature, I'm pro-choice.
I know there is the option to give up the baby for adoption, but who knows what
dysfunctional family the baby might end up with. This is one of the reasons why
I don't want a child. I don't want to make a choice that I can't take back. As
harsh as it sounds, it's better for a pregnancy to be stopped, that for a child
to have a bittersweet or even a horrible childhood.
Not to generalize, but I notice that many pro-lifers tend to be pro-spankers. (Thankfully, there are some pro-lifers who are anti-spankers.) Anyway, why fight so hard to save the embryo or fetus, and then once he/she is born, you slap him/her around and hurt him/her in other ways? I wholeheartedly agree with you that to really be pro-life, you protect and love the child after he/she is born, not just before.
Not to generalize, but I notice that many pro-lifers tend to be pro-spankers. (Thankfully, there are some pro-lifers who are anti-spankers.) Anyway, why fight so hard to save the embryo or fetus, and then once he/she is born, you slap him/her around and hurt him/her in other ways? I wholeheartedly agree with you that to really be pro-life, you protect and love the child after he/she is born, not just before.
Thank you, S for writing
and for your courage to share with the world of having had an abortion, most
women because of hard judgments and crazy beliefs of others never admit they
had an abortion. I have noticed that unconscious people love to make women that
chose an abortion their scapegoat to project and transfer their repression.
Where did you get the impression Alice was my guru? No one is my guru. My
feelings are my guru; I pay attention and listen to my feelings. Yes, everyone
can have their opinions and if their opinions are hurtful to me personally I
have the right to express someone’s opinion is hurtful to me and walk away. As
a child, I could not walk away from my abusers, but the beauty of being a mature
autonomous adult is that I can walk away from anyone that I consider abusive to
me and is committing an injustice to a dear friend of mine. In her article
“What is Hatred?” Alice Miller articulates it beautifully.
